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DC relaunches all titles post-Flashpoint

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I'll be ordering most of the new #1s but I'm not going to guarantee that I'll keep most of them! A lot look like that they can be cancelled and replaced pretty quickly and not many would even notice. I'm getting about 80% of them but half of that's on a 4-6 trial basis. It will a bit more than I usually get (not to mention the Marvel, IDW, Dark Horse, Archie, etc..that I get) but you can't praise, blow off, criticize or condemn a title without READING it first!
I don't know. There are a whole lot of books that I will never read that I've never read. I guess this is, by definition, blowing them off, but I don't think this shows bad character on my part. It just means that I can only afford the time (let alone money) to read certain titles, and I have to make those judgements somehow--creative teams, art styles, publisher... I'm not criticizing or condemning them, I'm just not reading them. I will be reading some of the new DC titles, giving (the ones I choose to try) my old one-issue trial, and deciding from there. I do see this, however, as a very handy jumping off point for most of the Green Lantern books, and there are a lot of DC titles that I just kind of dropped from lack of interest at the notion that it was all about to be rebooted anyway (Batgirl, Red Robin, Batman, Justice League of America, etc.).

Philip Portelli said:
...but you can't praise, blow off, criticize or condemn a title without READING it first!
Kirk G said:

My local comic book shop clerk/manager is telling me that this feels like a giantic jumping off point for many of his regular customers.... either, they have gone home for the summer from this college town, or, they just can't afford comics anymore.  And so, as an abrupt change, this is the end for many of his DC customers.


Remember, one store does not a complete picture make.

I've had over 40 DC relaunch titles added to subscriber accounts since Thursday. Every single day is bringing me new business, and I had 3 people open new subscription files on Friday and Saturday just to get several of these titles who have not bought comics in years, and two of them were women!

How this affects each comic shop is going to naturally vary, because all comic shops serve different clientele, and people are nothing if not dissimilar.

One thing I can tell by talking (and listening to!) other retailers is that the more negative on the relaunch the retailer is, the more they "get complaints from customers about jumping off all of DC's titles"*, and the more enthusiastic the retailer is, the more they report that "their pre-orders are skyrocketing"*.

It's a classic case of a self-fulfilling prophesy.

If your LCS is in such dire straights that it doesn't order extra copies for the shelf on all but the best sellers, it was maybe already  time for them to move on before the relaunch was even announced. Ordering for subs-only gives you a terrific error-free profit margin %, but allows for no growth. And cash up-front for all special orders? That alone will cause business to move elsewhere.

 

As to whether this is a mis-step or not, only history can judge that.

 

I did my orders Thursday night (and live-tweeted while I did so!) and in the end, my DC numbers for September were higher than my Marvel, Dark Horse, Image, IDW, and everything else in the catalog for the month combined!

 

If people expect a lot out of this, they will get a lot. If they expect little, they will get little.


* Almost never has a retailer stated specific numbers, so I imagine some hyperbole on both sides of the spectrum.


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Philip Portelli said:
but you can't praise, blow off, criticize or condemn a title without READING it first!

Are you new to the internet, sir?

:P


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To Dagwan, et al:

I humbly have to agree with Phillip. While the Internet, or more specifically: its contributors, are a major influence nowadays, in the end it is still the individual's right to decide what to read, buy, watch, etc.

People at times tend to have too much of a "band wagon" mentality as it is. While there are times when my opinion might agree with the majority, I prefer to reach said opinion on my own.

Lee Houston, Junior said:

People at times tend to have too much of a "band wagon" mentality as it is. While there are times when my opinion might agree with the majority, I prefer to reach said opinion on my own.


I agree wholeheartedly.

I was just poking fun at Philip because it seems like judging some creative work before it's been consumed seems to be what the internet was created for. Well, that and porn.

Just today I bought Season 3 of Heroes on DVD at Target for $8.99. Everything I've heard about the third season of the show is terrible, but I want to judge it for myself. I may agree, but I didn't dislike the second season as much as everyone else, so we'll see.


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To Jeff: Yes, of course, we all buy what we like. I'm getting 39 out of 52, which some of you may feel is a lot. But the ones I'm not getting hold little interest for me but that does not mean that I think they're bad books. They're just not for me. If you want examples, take Blackhawks and Men of War. Both were on my original list but when I thought about them, I found that I was being oversentimental over the inspiration. Will they succeed without my reading them? Possibly but then they may not succeed with me reading them.

I'm willing to give I...Vampire and Resurrection Man a chance and I added Frankenstein because Baron and Figs seem particularly stoked by it. Now that doesn't mean that I'll keep all those titles or add later on if the buzz is good!

To Lee:Bravo! There's nothing wrong with a bad review or not recommending a title nor with liking a popular title but we must form our own opinion. There is too much fear about these new reboots but there is also hope. This new Superman 5.0 may have some great stories in him. We should all give him that opportunity. And be objective about what we like and dislike. 

To Dagwan: I've only been posting here since March 2010 and was active at CBGXtra for two months prior! Maybe I'm doing this wrong! ;-)

Dagwan said:
Philip Portelli said:
but you can't praise, blow off, criticize or condemn a title without READING it first!

Are you new to the internet, sir?

:P

 

I was elated to see that they were bringing the Seven Soldiers Frankenstein back into the DCU in his own series, but I have to confess that the 3-issue Flashpoint series hasn't set my world alight after 2 issues.  The plotting is very mechanical.  But Lemire still makes the right noises in interviews, so I will stick with the new ongoing for a little bit to give it a chance.  Perhaps the 3-issues set in an alternative world, and tying into Geoff Johnsist nonsense was too tight a constriction on Lemire.

I was urged by my comics pals to read the first issue of Frankenstein from Flashpoint, so I did, but I have to admit that I was also underwhelmed. I bought the second issue because I thought for sure I would be more amped and I could just read on into the ongoing series...I look forward to reading the new series, seeing what Lemire will do with it. I hope it's better and more exciting than what I've seen so far. Otherwise, not being a Superboy fan, I think I may be a Vertigo and Essex County fan of Lemire, and not so much his super-heroic works.

Figserello said:

I was elated to see that they were bringing the Seven Soldiers Frankenstein back into the DCU in his own series, but I have to confess that the 3-issue Flashpoint series hasn't set my world alight after 2 issues.  The plotting is very mechanical.  But Lemire still makes the right noises in interviews, so I will stick with the new ongoing for a little bit to give it a chance.  Perhaps the 3-issues set in an alternative world, and tying into Geoff Johnsist nonsense was too tight a constriction on Lemire.

Are you new to the internet, sir?

Michael Keaton would want to know if he's new to fandom period. Negativity always seems to be the default position; I think some fans think it's more sophisticated to find the flaws than to look forward to something new. Being excited shows too much naivite or acceptance of "the suits." It's too bad, but, as you note, it's not new.

That said, we make value judgments on every page of every PREVIEWS, and that's thousands of decisions a month, before we see more than a postage-stamp sized image, a sentence of description and a list of creators. By now, we're all probably pretty good at deciding from those what is going to appeal to us. And if we make mistakes, that's what online reviews immediately and TPBs later are for.

I would expect DC's numbers will be through the roof in September, as lots of readers will try books to see if they're as appealing as the snippet of info makes them, some will buy them for their "collector value" and dealers will stock up to ensure new fans can jump on from the beginning.

I think we can critique comics based on what we know--concept and creators--but execution is a huge part of what succeeds. A great concept helps, but great concepts aren't enough to make a success, just as the execution has to work harder if the concept (four friends hang out at a diner in NY; six friends hang out at a coffee shop in NY) is sketchy.

I'll be more interested in what's being ordered by issue #6; most fans seem to be giving these comics 4-6 months to prove themselves, and by then we'll know which concept/executions are working and which aren't. 

Heck, I'll be interested in the numbers dealers turn in for October books and how they'll figure how much to drop them after that new-car smell and collectibility are gone.

-- MSA

Well, there's a quick assessment of the first two week's comics on Comics Alliance.  Big praise for Action Comics #1, which I've already ordered.  I do hope we get to see more of the 'social justice' 'feared by authority' stuff as the series goes on.  There's also high praise for Cornell's Demon Knights.   From Cornell's interview, it looks like it is very much aimed at the Game of Thrones fanbase, which looks like a great way to broaden the market and subject matter of DC comics to me.  I used to love fantasy books and this has the added attraction for me of being set in our World (or somewhere very like it geographically!)  I'm tempted by it, especially if it is the huge sprawling fantasy that it promises to be.  I wonder how subtle it can be with Etrigan stuck in the middle of it?

 

Cornell's Stormwatch also gets props, but I don't like the idea of bringing the Authority etc characters into the DCU 'just like that'.  I'll keep an eye on it.

 

I can see that JLA will be required reading for the fan-people whether it is a great comic or not, as it reveals how superheroes started to appear as a group in the DCU.  I don't like the sound of this sentence: "The banter between Batman and Green Lantern is a lot of fun, showing a refreshing level of self-awareness of fans' attitudes toward these characters that's reflected in their attitudes toward each other."

 

Ugh.  Enough with the comics about internet fan chatter.  Yes, I know.  Johns has to work v hard to impress me.  I'm sore on Geoff.

 

Frankenstein looks good, just from that panel.  Lemire most definitely did not impress me with his Flashpoint series, but Morrison's Frankenstein was a great character and I think I still want to see his own series on the shelves.  Maybe I'll start over with Lemire, like Flashpoint never happened.

 

Sadly, I have an extremely limited budget, so can't really commit to many of these comics.  I do want to support good mainstream comics, but we need to see 6 months into the future to know what is what.  As it is, I think Frankenstein and Demon Knights, should I choose to collect them, might be 'on the bubble' and need my patronage.  I'm curious about JLA and Perez' Superman but I'm confident they will be on the shelves of my library in 8-12 months time. 

 

(The new reboot of Superman means that I'm not in such a hurry now to read Robinson's Superman all the way through New Krypton to Grounded, most of which are in the library.  Actually, I've just noticed that my library has pt 1 of JMS' Wonder Woman that I will read some day soon.)

 

Actually, my buying habits are very like this guy's.  It's not great news for DC if there are too many like me, but at least I buy more DC/Vertigo comics than Marvel Comics.  My Marvel pull-list currently stands at Zero comics.

 

Of the remaining comics, not mentioned in the article, I was thinking Girl-power.  Mainly Batwoman, but I was very unimpressed by the moves in her more recent appearances to tie her to other Bat-characters.  I loved her because she was her own woman.  Tying her into all that continuity puts me off somewhat. 

 

Finally Supergirl looks intriguing.  Since the previous Supergirl was introduced I have become a fan of the original 60's Supergirl, and also been simply fascinated by how awfully DC handled the first few years of her most recent existence.  So I have an interest in seeing how they will handle her this time.

 

Anyway, I see the first reviews of the New 52 have started appearing all over the net, so I'll be off and read some of them, so that I can be opinionated about books I don't intend to buy.  :-)

So I thought one of the big deals was same-day digitial sales. I see nothing on iTunes or the DC website about this.

 

If same-day sales really ARE happening, and DC doesn't have a big red button on the front page of their website, they need to fire the head of their digitial sales group, because he's an idiot.

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