Ed Asner was a de facto "Good Guy" TV dad as well. Burton in one interview even suggests this was very much the point. They used stunt casting to say, "your clean-cut TV image of America? Take a closer look at the pillars on which your society was built."
Jeff of Earth-J said:
Last week I mentioned the music; this week, the casting. I think that there was an effective disconnect concerning how many “good guy” TV dads were cast as Ben Cartwright, Mike Brady, John Walton, Lucas McCain.
12 YEARS A SLAVE: Inspired by watching Roots, Tracy wanted to see 12 years a slave. Neither one of us had seen it before. I wanted to wait until we finished Roots, but Tracy wanted to watch it now. 12 Years a Slave makes Roots look like Gone with the Wind.
"Ed Asner was a de facto 'Good Guy' TV dad as well."
Yes, I almost included him on my list as well. I would like to take this opportunity to comment on his excellent performance as a conflicted slave ship captain. By the time he got back from his first trip as a slaver, his experience had taken a heavy toll. the last we see of him, He was given his next assignment: tobacco to England, then to Africa for more slaves. We aren't shown whether or not he accepted.
And, of course, I left John Amos off the list of "good guy" TV dad's (although he certainly was one) because I was pointing out the cognitive disconnect between the casting and being a slave owner.
Another thing I forgot to mention is Lorne Green's overseer. When Green, Robert Reed and Linda Day George are discussing slaves and slavery, the overseer (having been an indentured servant for seven years himself), is the only one who truly understands their plight. I missed that plot point in 1977.
ROCKY BALBOA: When I was a kid, we had a very traditional Thanksgiving: "over the river and through the woods," all that jazz. After my grandmother died, we would alternate between my parents house, my sister's house, my brother's house. One year, we watched the first three Rocky movies (on video discs and a borrowed player), and it became a new tradition (binge watching before it was a thing). We folded in IV and V as they were released.
The original ending for Rocky V was to have had rocky die of a brain aneurism fighting Tommy Gunn in the street. I thought that ending would have made for a more moving rags-to-riches-to-rags story than the ending they chose, which still made for a good movie, not a great movie. Of course, at the time, I never expected the series to continue. Then, in 2006, Rocky Balboa signaled a new beginning for the franchise and I was glad Rocky hadn't died.
We re-watched Rocky Balboa last night and plan to re-watch Creed soon in anticipation of seeing Creed II in the theater.
A while back I bought a cheaply-priced DVD collection of the first Roots miniseries. Still haven't rewatched it. I remember Asner's character as a slave-catcher who chased Toby, not as a slave-trader. When I watched the movie Amazing Grace (2006) I learned that the song of the same name was based upon a poem by former slave-trader John Newton, which helped to inspire parliamentarians to abolish the British slave trade in 1807.
I don't think most indentured servants had horrible experiences. They were mainly paying for the sea-passage by working for a set period of time. I also don't think that the average slave-owner would hire a sympathetic overseer. Most movies show the slave-owner whipping people. Generally I think they were detached from that so they could feel good about themselves while the overseer administered the whippings.
The ending of Rocky V being changed might have resulted from test screenings and negative comments from audience members. It would make sense for Rocky Balboa to die in part V, since Mickey died in part III (along with at least one fighter) and Apollo Creed died in part IV. I think after the first two movies they were tying to point out how dangerous the sport was.
“I remember Asner's character as a slave-catcher who chased Toby, not as a slave-trader.”
He was a ship’s captain hired to captain a slaving vessel. By that role, I classify him as a “slaver.”
“I also don't think that the average slave-owner would hire a sympathetic overseer.”
I don’t think he was necessarily sympathetic per se, just that the overseer in Roots understood the slaves..
“Most movies show the slave-owner whipping people. Generally I think they were detached from that so they could feel good about themselves while the overseer administered the whippings.”
In Roots, the overseer didn’t whip Toby; he ordered a slave to do it. In 12 Years a Slave, the owner ordered the main character to whip another slave (and she wanted him to do it). When he didn’t whip her hard enough, the owner took over himself, and flayed the skin from her back.
“The ending of Rocky V being changed might have resulted from test screenings and negative comments from audience members.”
Could be. The DVD of Rocky Balboa has an alternate ending with s different result.
CREED: Watched this one last night for the second time. Saw it at the theater when it was out, and bought the Blueray/DVD but didn't watch it until last night. Good movie. Looking forward to Creed II.