New Avengers Titles and other silver age mis-steps...

Recently, we've seen an explosion in the Avengers family of titles...

If memory serves, we have at least:

The Mighty Avengers

The dark Avengers

Avengers Academy

New Avengers

Secret Avengers

Solo Avengers

and many of these titles have already reached issue 19 or higher...

 

As I recall, the original Avengers title saw a change in their line-up as early as issue #4, and a grand shake-up with #16. http://www.comics.org/issue/19164/cover/4/

Does it seem unusual to you that we  might get to issue #20 without a significant alteration in the format or reason de eter (reason for being) that underlies these books?    Just asking if anyone else notices this.

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Could a second Avengers title have been feasible in the Silver Age? Marvel had so few heroes, as compared to today. But if they threw together Doctor Strange, Daredevil, Spider-Man, the Hulk and Sub-Mariner, they'd have....well, they have The Defenders but what team would have made a fitting second Avengers team?

Heroic Age was a big re-start that followed a revolutionary 7-year arc that was very centrally managed. Fear Itself was then a very Avengers-centric crossover that would have taken a lot of editorial energy and supplied the fanboys with the sensation and faux-novelty that a big shake-up internal to the title would have supplied.

The dust hasn't settled on Fear Itself yet, but expect big 'Nothing will ever be the sames' coming down the pipe when it does.

How long is Bendis going to write Avengers for anyway?
The Avengers raison d'etre has been in the intro box for a very long time. They are heroes banded together to face threats too big for any of them singly.

I can't recall when their stories haven't been about that. That definition of the Avengers also explains why just about anyone can be a member.

Regarding all those Avengers spin-offs on the shelves, it has been true in the past that the more of them a property has, the poorer the comics tend to be as a line. Maybe Marvel are hoping to profit from quantity rather than quality these days.

Perhaps what I'm reacting to is the decompressed writing style, or perhaps the serial part of each adventure.

Given that each issue was an adventure unto itself when Stan was writing the title, you had 15 complete stories told by the end of the first golden age period.

But looking at the extended format, the cross-overs and the inability to reach closure, I'd be hard pressed to identify much more than a few stories that have occured in the last 19 issues of most of these titles, right?

Excellent point.  18 issues of the original Dark Avengers were maybe 4-5 storylines and a lot of what seems like filler to us old-timers.

 

Decompressed might have its place if used now and again, but as a house-style, what it amounts to is a lot less bang-for-your-buck and value for money for the consumer.  And the shrinking market attests that, in this case at least, the consumer aint stupid.

Here's a good example.

We have Norman Osborn assemble his own team of Dark Avengers.

Basically, we have villians impersonating the heroes, right?
This same concept came up back in about 1964-65 in X-men #20-21, when the Blob and Unus decide to masquerade as the classic X-men student costumes and rob a bank. (Roy Thomas wrote this one, I believe...his first such X-men story....)

And although there were a host of characters in this two-parter, the story dealt with the concept of impersonation and unveiling in just one issue, I believe... even though the authorities didn't know they were villians posing as heroes... we did.

and the villians make their escape on top of a subway train....never to be heard from for at least a year and a half, as I recall... all mention of the school uniforms being dropped then.

I've just noticed that the cover for Avengers #18 shows Cap playing with his superhero collector cards and deciding 'Who will be an Avenger?'

So there you go.

The current run of Secret Avengers are all done-in-ones with weird story elements and non-stop action. Considerring the old storytelling style is gone for good, they're not bad.

It's not the decompression that sometimes bothers me; it's the pacing.  I don't mind a good six parter if each piece forwards the story sufficiently and has enough characterization and action.  It's the interminably drawn out "this-MUST-fit-a-TPB" stories I dislike.

 

There's a distinct difference.

Kirk G said:

Here's a good example.

We have Norman Osborn assemble his own team of Dark Avengers.

Basically, we have villians impersonating the heroes, right?
This same concept came up back in about 1964-65 in X-men #20-21, when the Blob and Unus decide to masquerade as the classic X-men student costumes and rob a bank. (Roy Thomas wrote this one, I believe...his first such X-men story....)

And although there were a host of characters in this two-parter, the story dealt with the concept of impersonation and unveiling in just one issue, I believe... even though the authorities didn't know they were villians posing as heroes... we did.

and the villians make their escape on top of a subway train....never to be heard from for at least a year and a half, as I recall... all mention of the school uniforms being dropped then.

A mix of the FF and X-Men - Torch, Angel, Thing, Beast? Or an Asgardian an Inhuman, an Atlantean ... sounds like the start of a joke. I wonder if they go into a bar?

Philip Portelli said:

Could a second Avengers title have been feasible in the Silver Age? Marvel had so few heroes, as compared to today. But if they threw together Doctor Strange, Daredevil, Spider-Man, the Hulk and Sub-Mariner, they'd have....well, they have The Defenders but what team would have made a fitting second Avengers team?

That's part of what made me ask about this.  And who made Cap in charge of who's an avenger, and who's not?

Figserello said:

I've just noticed that the cover for Avengers #18 shows Cap playing with his superhero collector cards and deciding 'Who will be an Avenger?'

So there you go.

The current run of Secret Avengers are all done-in-ones with weird story elements and non-stop action. Considerring the old storytelling style is gone for good, they're not bad.

I thought you were going to suggest the Torch, the Iceman, Thing and Beast... which would give them flight, brains, fire and cold.  A fairly well rounded team with wealth, intellegence, great strength and diverse powers.

Dandy said:

A mix of the FF and X-Men - Torch, Angel, Thing, Beast? Or an Asgardian an Inhuman, an Atlantean ... sounds like the start of a joke. I wonder if they go into a bar?

 

It seems that in the new realism of current MU books, if you betray your country, oppose in arms the legilsation of the democratically elected congress, collude with foreign, often belligerent powers in their invasion of US soil, they put you in charge of practically everything.

in Norman Osbourne's day you just had to kill a few people.

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