OK, just read issue #0.  It involves the current iteration of Nova, who is apparently a kid named Sam Alexander, whose father was an old drunk who claimed to have been an intergalactic space hero, and who eventually disappeared. In time, the son discovers that the old man had been an intergalactic space hero and ends up becoming the new Nova himself. I'm not familiar with this version of the character, so I can't say how long he's been around. I remember reading the original Nova nearly forty years ago - I don't have any great memories of him except that he was drawn by Carmine Infantino for awhile.

 

Anyway, our Sam fights a robot version of Tomazooma and meets the Avengers and asks them about the Watcher and finds out that while they know the Watcher watches, they don't know why. So, he goes to the Moon and gives the Watcher a rock and Utau Atua Utapau Uatu shows him his home movies of how his Dad (Uatu's, I mean, not Sam's) was the one who had the bright idea of giving the Prosilicans nuclear energy and we all know how that worked out.  Is this new?  I don't remember it being U Thant Utrecht Uatu's old man who did that. Anyway, Sam asks Uatu just how much he watches and Uatu blows his mind by showing him scenes from old issues of What If.  Anyway, Sam realizes that what Uatu is really hoping to see is a world where his dad wasn't wrong. Sam commiserates and says that he wishes his father wasn't a screw-up, too, then asks Uatu what happened to his (Sam's, not Uatu's) dad, and after a slight pause, Uatu tells Sam that his dad is still alive. (Say, isn't that sort of "interfering", Uatu, old son?).  Sam goes off happy and Uatu puts the rock on a shelf. 

 

A mildly interesting story, and the art is nice enough.

 

Say, the Watcher apparently has an armory - he's really loaded for bear - where he keeps the Ultimate Nullifier. How'd he end up with it? I thought Galactus took that back after Reed made him promise to leave Earth after threatening to blow his head off with it.

 

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Issue #2

At the Earth's Core, Emma, T"Challa and Scott Lang are terrorizing Moloids and discovering a sort of monster's graveyard. What this has to do with anything is not made clear.

 

In New York, Nick demands a sitrep while Steve, Logan, Peter and Natasha try to catch a Mindless Mindful One. It attacks Nick's flying car and babbles some more about sin. Nick captures it by blowing up his car.

 

Back at Avengers Tower, Bruce and Tony are doing sciencey stuff. Tony finds a record of a gold spaceship leavingthe Blue Area.  Bruce is uneasy about the fact that Tony isn't wearing pants. Tony calls Bruce unprofessional (!) for mentioning it. Sure, Tony, provoke Banner, that's a good idea. They are apparently preparing a cell to hold the captured critter.

 

In the Nineteenth Dimension or some such, Frank and Stephen find the corpse of a Cthulhu-looking critter.   Frank finds a glowing green bullet in the critter's body.

 

Back at the Warehouse of Doom, the Mindless Mindful Ones talk about Gertrude Stein while we get a look at our heels.

 

One looks like a female Killer Shrike.  She feels like she is getting stronger.

 

One is dressed in red and wearing a hood. He is holding the Watcher's Eye.

 

There is a third one who looks rather alot like Ben Grimm but apparently isn't. He is bedridden and not well.  The other two argue about what to do with him. Lady Killer Shrike is somewhat attached to him.

 

The heroes have found the warehouse and surrounded it. They call on the heels to surrender. I see Thor, Iron Man, Nova, Firestar, Iceman and Storm.  Lady Killer Shrike prepares to lead the Mindless Mindful Ones against the heroes. She is revealed to be "Exterminatrix", real name Oubliette Midas (Seriously?), said to have been born "cursing in eight languages", and trained to kill "everything that has ever tried to live".  However, the heroes have been joined by Sam Wilson, Luke Cage, Ben Grimm. the Hulk, Logan, Steve, Natasha, Peter,Matt Murdock, Illyana  Rasputin,    and Kitty Pryde.

 

Meanwhile, Hooded Guy and Not Ben Grimm are walking down some stairs. Not Ben Grimm is not well, and appears to have lightning playing around his face.  Hooded Guy's deal is that he thinks that everything Uatu ever saw is still in his eye, and that there should be some way to get at that info.They get outside only to discover that Exterminatrix, despite her Unstoppable Bad-Arse Awesomeness, has been easily beaten and captured.  The heroes call on Hooded Guy to surrender and drop the eye. Hooded Guy claims that they're not the droids murderers they're looking for, and that the eye is no longer an eye, but a bomb, and the bomb is about to explode. He then whips off his hood to reveal that he is...the Orb! (allows time for you all to say "The Orb? Are you *****ing me? What fresh Hell is this?, then resumes") He is described as a "Z-List super-villain with an eyeball for a head" and "the man who just changed the world".

 

Overall: Well, so far, it's still interesting me. They're up-front with the fact that the Orb is a jobber at best, so I'm assuming we still haven't seen the real power behind whatever this is all about. Also, no clues yet as to whoever it was that gathered the othe rteam of investigators.

Are Kitty and Illyana still friends?

Dunno, they don't interact with one another in this issue, so it's hard to say.

I'm way behind on the X-men and I doubt that I'll ever catch up.

I liked issue #1 well enough that I planned to buy #2. Consequently, I didn't read your review of #2 until after I had read it. Not that doing so would have influenced my decision to buy it, though. (Your reviews are always more entertaining than the comics themselves.) Issue #2 lost me, but I will continue to read this discussion. Don't let me down.

Original Sin #3 of 8 (August 2014): "Trust No One, Not even Yourself"

To allow for spoiler space, here's a picture that isn't in this issue, but I only wish it was!

 

 

Anyway, we start out with a flashback in which the Orb jabbers about the Watcher visiting him in bed or something. Somehow he is using this imagery to convince a vaguely Robotman-looking guy called Doctor Midas (who is apparently Exterminatrix's father) to help him rob the Watcher.

 

In the present, the Orb uses the eye to blast the heroes and some bystanders. It apparently shows them some secrets. Whatever Bruce sees makes him mad at Tony (What could there possibly be at this point to make Tony look like more of an a***hole?  Isn't he like a war criminal or something?), Peter is upset, and Thor discovers he has a sister.  I'm sure all of these things are taken up in the side issues which are heavily-advertised in this book, but which I am not quite sap enough to waste time and money actually buying and reading.

 

Interestingly, Nick is unaffected, and he takes his opportunity to arrest the Orb.

 

Meanwhile, in suburban Pellucidar, T'Challa, Emma and Scott Lang are still looking at dead monsters and collecting gamma bullets. (If you get a hundred, you can trade them in for a toaster oven!)

 

More meanwhile, Frank and Stephen are still in the Nineteenth Dimension, and Frank says only ten people alive (including himself) could have made the kill-shot.  Stephen wants names.

 

Still more meanwhile, out in deep space, Bucky, Gamora and Marc find a living planet that has been shot to death. (I don't think it's meant to be Ego.) A shadowy figure that I think is meant to be Nick but I'm not sure is watching on the Sub-Ether-Infra-Scope and decides to stock up on more gamma bullets.

 

Even still more meanwhile, back at Avengers Tower (I liked it better when they had a mansion!), Logan and Bruce are interrogating the Orb, who insists on speaking to Nick. Steve tells Nick that they've lost Midas' trail. Steve wants help searching, but everyone (Thor, Matt and Peter are mentioned by name) has bravely ran away, away. Nick has Uatu's eye. He wonders why he didn't see anything when the Wave of Secrets went off.

 

Meanwhile, out in deep space,  Bucky disappears on Marc and Gamora, and then their space ship blows up.  They find that this causes them to have questions about Bucky's good will.

 

Back on Earth, Logan tells Nick that Orb is ready to talk. Nick seems unenthusiastic about this. He also wonders who has the Watcher's other eye. Bucky beams in (Bucky has a transporter that can beam him in from the "Galaxy's Outer Rim"?). Bucky shoots Nick, saying  "No more hiding, Nick.  No more running from our sins. No more turning a blind eye."

Nick says, "Bucky...I never liked you, you sonuva..." to which Bucky replies, "No more, Nick" and takes his head.

 

We end with Bucky holding the Watcher's eye in his right hand and Nick Fury's head in his left and saying "No more secrets"!

 

Well, and this just a preliminary assessment, mind you, but I do think that the ending of this issue might - might, mind you, be said from a certain point of view, to offer a certain amount of supporting evidence to the Skipper's theory that:

 

...one of the major purposes of this story is to clear away white Nick Fury so that Sam Jackson Nick Fury is the only one.

 

This is, of course, merely a tentative interpretation.

 

Overall: An OK issue.  The business of the Watcher's eye revealing everyone's secrets is an interesting way to launch a zillion side-stories, I suppose. However, the days when I would even try to track them all down are long gone.

The Baron said:

Well, and this just a preliminary assessment, mind you, but I do think that the ending of this issue might - might, mind you, be said from a certain point of view, to offer a certain amount of supporting evidence to the Skipper's theory that:

 

...one of the major purposes of this story is to clear away white Nick Fury so that Sam Jackson Nick Fury is the only one.

 

This is, of course, merely a tentative interpretation.

 

But isn't White Nick Fury, like, a hundred years old? (I've heard something about some kind of anti-aging Brylcreem he uses, but I haven't heard the details and don't want to start now.)

On Earth ClarkKent_DC, Sgt. Fury and Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. have long been two different characters, anyway.



ClarkKent_DC said:

The Baron said:

Well, and this just a preliminary assessment, mind you, but I do think that the ending of this issue might - might, mind you, be said from a certain point of view, to offer a certain amount of supporting evidence to the Skipper's theory that:

 

...one of the major purposes of this story is to clear away white Nick Fury so that Sam Jackson Nick Fury is the only one.

 

This is, of course, merely a tentative interpretation.

 

But isn't White Nick Fury, like, a hundred years old? (I've heard something about some kind of anti-aging Brylcreem he uses, but I haven't heard the details and don't want to start now.)

On Earth ClarkKent_DC, Sgt. Fury and Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. have long been two different characters, anyway.

 

 

Well, if he was 18 on Pearl Harbor Day, Sgt. Fury would be 91 this year, and I always assumed he was older than that - in his mid-90's by now.   He (and and other Howlers that are still around in-continuity) must have the Fountain of Eternal Early Middle Age.

My purpose has not cooled and I did, in fact, drop this series even though it was a light week. I’ll buy a series if it’s spectacularly bad (or spectacularly stupid), but not if it’s merely mediocre.

The story of how Nick Fury and select Howling Commandoes (notably Dum-Dum and Gabe) acquired the “Infinity Formula which keeps them young was told in Marvel Spotlight #1. I forget who wrote it, but it was illustrated in a rather unspectacular fashion by Howard Chaykin. It’s not much of a story, in any case. Basically, on a mission towards the end WWII they were exposed to a formula that keeps them young. It was recently reprinted in a Marvel Masterworks edition.

...I looked at #2 at the LCS and the Howard The Duck back-up by Ty Tempelton wasn't in " their back pages " , scanning it (Did I miss it somehow ?????) so I didn't buy it . And I suppose I'm definitely " off the bus " , to continue with the " Sixties " metaphors .

No sign of Howard the Duck in any of the issues I've seen,

They could really use a real detective on this.

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