When it comes to the damage you've done to Starfire,even your seven year old readers have something to say.

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The more I think about it, the sicker I get.

You beat me to the punch, Rich; I just read the article.  I finished reading the Titans graphic novel "Games" yesterday.  The difference between the Starfire I remember and the watery tart that showed up this month in the DCnU is astounding.  The Koriand'r envisioned by Wolfman and Perez was a strong, confident warrior who also cared deeply for those she loved. This bimbo that replaced her is nothing but a cipher from a porn movie. There likely is an audience for this tripe, but it isn't me.

 

DC keep sleepwalking into these things, don't they?  Can't they have a consultant from Warners Bros who knows something about not alienating huge swathes of your potential market come around for an hour a week or something?

The really sad part is that Starfire, for all the trauma in her life, arrived on Earth filled with love and passion. She wasn't afraid or repressed. She loved her friends, unconditionally. She was not jealous or petty. She was beautiful and sexy, yes, but she also had an innocence to her. She was uncorrupted by Terran hypocrisy and showed Robin an emotional freedom he'd never known.

In some ways, she was a pure being, not fully understanding every nuance of human interaction but not fretting over it either. Better if they had made her fourteen again! DC took a strong, caring, loving woman and ruined her. And they are proud of it!



Figserello said:
DC keep sleepwalking into these things, don't they?  Can't they have a consultant from Warners Bros who knows something about not alienating huge swathes of your potential market come around for an hour a week or something?
Yeah, really. Warners not only has a huge stable of magazines -- Time, People, Sports Illustrated, In Style, Marie Claire, Money, and dozens more, it has a whole division dedicated to creating and launching new magazines. DC ought to tap that expertise.
Offhand, I'd say they have been talking to (some of) the Sports Illustrated guys.  Marie Claire, not so much.

ClarkKent_DC said:


Figserello said:
DC keep sleepwalking into these things, don't they?  Can't they have a consultant from Warners Bros who knows something about not alienating huge swathes of your potential market come around for an hour a week or something?
Yeah, really. Warners not only has a huge stable of magazines -- Time, People, Sports Illustrated, In Style, Marie Claire, Money, and dozens more, it has a whole division dedicated to creating and launching new magazines. DC ought to tap that expertise.
When my local comic shop owners went to the DC meetings prior to the big launch, they were surprised how focused they were on the 18-35 male audience.  When questions about female or younger readers were asked, they were almost angrily shot down.  A quote from Dan D., according to...again...my LCS owner, was "we can't print books like Supergirl: Adventures in 8th Grade that lose $10,000 an issue".  They see pandering as a survival plan...and, unfortunately, for DC superhero comics...they may be right.
Holly's take on the DCNu titles she's looked at..."DC really doesn't like my sex, do they"?  At the same time, there seem to be more new female writers and artists at Marvel on major books. 
And Bat-books assistant editor, Janelle Asselin, just resigned from DC to go work for Disney/Marvel magazines...

...how focused they were on the 18-35 male audience...

 

Yeah, but are guys that from that demographic really going to pick up Red Hood and the Outlaws for their "cheesecake" needs? Isn't that what Maxim is for? Maybe I'm unusual*, but even when I was 18, I never got all hot and bothered over comic book characters. There was never a time in my life where I bought comic books for that sort of thing.

 

*Shut up.

While Time Warner certainly publishes a lot of magazines, the shared-universe style of the DCU is really a different skill set. TW magazines themselves are pretty focused, and no one is really expecting the readership of Marie Claire to also pick up Golf Digest. And no one would every stop reading Golf Digest because of an editorial choice in Marie Claire. Yet people up in arms about Starfire or Catwoman say DC hates women, even though there have been some great portrayals in Batgirl, Wonder Woman, Birds of Prey, and from what I hear, Supergirl. The shared universe means that the magazine paradigm doesn't quite apply... and it makes it harder to branch out for different audiences.

 

If DC really wanted to follow it, they'd launch a Men's DCU, a Women's DCU, and a Kid's DCU -- and never the three would meet.

 

And that ain't a bad idea...works for TV.

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