The Aftermath of "Stargirl: The Lost Children" (SPOILERS)

[The Baron]

The Seven Soldiers of Voctory were re-fromed "to come together when needed", whatever that means. The line-up will be::

1. The Crimson Avenger (Jill Carlyle)
2. The Green Arrow (Oliver Queen)
3. The Red Arrow (Emiko Queen)
4. The Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
5. Stargirl (Courtney Whitmore_
6. S.T.R.I.P.E. (Pat Dugan)
7. The Vigilante (Greg Sanders)

The following characters were rescued that were already from the present day:

1. Dan the Dyna-Mite (Daniel Dunbar): He is now young again. Didn't his powers only work in tandem with TNT?
2. The Air Wave (Harold Jordan):: Didn't know he was lot, but then, I couldn't you here he last appeared.
3. The Secret (Greta Hayes): Couldn't tell you where ashe last appeated, either.

Te following chracters were from the past, but had to remain in the present day because reasons, who I guess are going to form a Junior Justice Society:

1. Robbie the Robot-Dog, that was the original Robotman's pet, apparently. I'd love to know how someone in the 1940's :built a sentient robot.
2. Cherry Bomb (Gloria James): An African-Amrican girl who has powers like the original Human Bomb and was his sidekick. Her issue is that she can't always control her powers.
3. Betsy Ross (Elizabeth Rose) and Molly Pitcher (Molly Preacher), teen sidekicks to Miss America (Joan Dale). they have mystical patriotic items.
4. Ladybug (Rosibel Rivera) A young Hispanic girl who was the didekick to the Red Bee.
5. Little Boy Blue (Tommy Rogers), the Blue Boys (Richard "Tubby" Mehlville and Herbert "Toughy" Simms) and Little Miss Redhead (Janie), who as far as I can recall, were basically just kids who mmanaged to avoid getting shot by the first crook they met who had a gun.
6. Quiz Kid (Raghu Seetharaman) And Indian-Americans sidekick to the original Mister Terrific.
7. Tick-Tock (Jmmy Martin) Who I'd never heard of, but was apparently Rex tyler's sidekick.
8. John Henry Jr. (John Henry Irons), who has one of the original Jihn Henry's hammers, and I assume is related to Steel.
9. Salem the Witch Gril, who is Doctor Fate's new retroactive sidekick.
10. The Boom (Judy Garrick) Jay's daughter. Great character idea, lousy name.
11. Sparky (Sparkington J. Northrup), sidekick to the original Blue Beetle.
12. Pinky (Phineas Butler), sidekick to Mister Scarlet.
13. The Newsboy Legion: Tommy Tompkins, Scrapper, Gabby, Flip, big ords and a girl called "Famous" Bobby that I've never heard of.  Aren't there already clones of these guys floating around somewhere?

[Jeff of Earth-J]

"The Seven Soldiers of Victory were re-formed 'to come together when needed, whatever that means."

Allow me to translate: "Whenever the writer sells the story idea to an editor."

"The following characters were from the past, but had to remain in the present day because reasons, who I guess are going to form a Junior Justice Society"

See answer above.

"I'd love to know how someone in the 1940's :built a sentient robot."

Ask Professor Horton (who built the original Human Torch).

"Cherry Bomb"

Everything about this character is an anachronism, especially the connotations of her name.

The idea of "kid sidekicks" has always been "iffy" at best, but now (retroactively) virtually every Golden Age DC superhero had one. Some of them I like, others are a stretch. ("Salem the Witch Girl"?) 

[Rob Staeger (Grodd Mod)]

I think TNT and Dan the Dyna-Mite had rings that focused their powers -- they'd do a fist-bump, touch rings, and get explosive. It looks like Dan's wearing both rings now, which probably allows him to access his powers solo.

I like the new sidekick characters for the most part. It'll be interesting to see how they're fitting into the world the next time we see the Young Justice Society.

[Captain Comics]

Baron: "The Seven Soldiers of Victory were re-formed 'to come together when needed,' whatever that means."

I see that the new team is a character-by-character reformation of the old team.

1. Crimson Avenger (Jill Carlyle) — Crimson Avenger (Lee Travis)
2. Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) — Green Arrow (Oliver Queen)
3. Red Arrow (Emiko Queen) — Speedy (Roy Harper)
4. Shining Knight (Sir Justin) — Shining Knight (Sir Justin)
5. Stargirl (Courtney Whitmore) — Star Spangled Kid (Sylvester Pemberton)
6. S.T.R.I.P.E. (Pat Dugan) — Stripesy (Pat Dugan)
7. Vigilante (Greg Sanders) — Vigilante (Greg Sanders)

As usual about DC continuity, I have questions:

1. As with the original team, the Asian American sidekicks — Wing (Crimson Avenger) and Stuff, the Chinatown Kid (Vigilante) — are omitted. Is there any mention of why they won't be included?
2. I assume the originals who are still active (Sir Justin, Greg Sanders, Pat Dugan) are still young-ish because of the events in Justice League of America #100-102, which established the Soldiers were thrown into the timestream in 1945 (when they lost their strip in Leading Comics), and were rescued no worse for wear (or time) by the JLA in 1972. Is that referenced in the series, or is some other timey-wimey device used?
3. Grant Morrison's 7 Soldiers rebooted Sir Justin as a woman. Does that still hold?
4. Did they ask Roy Harper to reprise his role, with Emiko the fallback? Or did they skip right over Roy? I hear he's alive again. Not that I'm disappointed he's not on the team. I don't care for all 27 of Roy Harper's personalities, and never liked the nom du combat Arsenal.

For the record, there are a lot more Soldiers than appeared in the original lineup, depending on what you consider canon. (And isn't all of it now?) Here are some notes:

• Post-Crisis, Wing and Stuff were retroactively added as full members, because Green Arrow and Speedy's 1940s adventures had been erased.
• A couple of decades later, The Spider replaced Wing. It's been a while, so I don't remember if that was just a lineup change, or a full, retroactive timeline change. The Spider proved to be a villain and was kicked off, so it doesn't really matter.
• In 2010 it was revealed that TNT and Dan the Dyna-Mite were retroactively part of the '40s team as GA/Speedy replacements, possibly erasing everything I said above. Or not.
• In the "Silver Age" event, Adam Strange, Batgirl, Blackhawk, Deadman, Mento, Metamorpho and Shining Knight (actually Gardner Grayle, the Atomic Knight) used the "Seven Soldiers" name. That's a one-off I don't expect to see again.
• The Infinite Crisis version of the 7 Soldiers consisted of Bulleteer (formerly Bulletgirl), Frankenstein, Klarion the Witch Boy, Manhattan Guardian, Mister Miracle, the female Shining Knight and Zatanna. Infinite Crisis left me very confused, so I don't know if this counts or not.

Baron: "The following characters were rescued that were already from the present day."

I seem to remember Dan coming to the present, but TNT being dead, but I don't remember where I read that. And I don't know how it meshes with the retroactive implant, above, where both were GA/Speedy replacements going back to the '40s. If anybody's memory skills (or Googling time) is superior to mine, feel free to explain.

Baron: "The following characters were from the past, but had to remain in the present day because reasons, who I guess are going to form a Junior Justice Society."

This is one is much odder, because it creates a Junior Justice Society with sidekicks to mentors who were never in the 1940s Justice Society, or who were, but didn't have sidekicks at the time. 

Here are some genuine '40s JSAers who have been retroactively given sidekicks:

• Mr. Teriffic (Terry Sloane): Assigned a new sidekick, Quiz Kid.
• Hourman: In 1940s comics, Jimmy Martin was a pre-teen ham radio operator who, at Hourman's suggestion, enlisted other pre-teen ham radio operators to form the Minute-Men of America, which helped Hourman on cases. That's right, Rick Jones' Teen Brigade wasn't an original idea. The reboot puts him in costume as Hourman's sidekick Tick Tock, which didn't happen in the comics.
• Doctor Fate: Why does Kent Nelson need a sidekick? Well, he's been given one, Salem the Witch Girl. That name is based on Klarion the Witch Boy, who didn't appear until 1973.
• The Flash (Jay Garrick): Well, he was married in the '40s, at least retroactively, so he gets a retroactive daughter, I suppose, The Boom. And the Baron's right, that's a dumb name.

This series drags in a number of other characters who were never in the Justice Society (at least not in the 1940s) and assigns them mostly non-existent sidekicks:

• Robotman actually did have Robot-Dog back in the day, so points.
• Human Bomb, who appeared in Quality Comics in the '40s and did not have a sidekick, gets Cherry Bomb. (And Jeff's right that this is an anachronistic name. Well, maybe the firecracker lifted the name from her?)
• Miss America is another Quality character, one who didn't appear much, and certainly didn't have sidekicks. She is awarded retroactively Betsy Ross and Molly Pitcher. The name "Betsy Ross" has been used numerous times by various publishes, and I wouldn't be surprised if Molly Pitcher had been used once or twice.
• Red Bee: Another Quality character who has been retroactively awarded a sidekick, Ladybug.
• LIttle Boy Blue and the Blue Boys: Actual characters from 1940s Sensation Comics, none of whom were adults.
• Steel, who didn't exist in the 1940s, sort-of gets a sidekick in John Henry Jr., who has one of the original, mythical John Henry's hammers. Since Steel's real name is John Henry, they may be related.
• Blue Beetle was a Fox character, and had a sidekick named Sparky.
• Mister Scarlet and Pinky were Fawcett characters. 
• The Guardian's actual 1940s sidekicks were the Newsboy Legion, who were cloned in Jack Kirby's Fourth World books (specifically Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen). I don't know where the clones are now. But "Famous" Bobbie was established as the original Jim Harper's great-niece, Roberta Harper, and joined the Newsboy Legion (presumably the clones) in the '90s for some adventures.

Which of the original 1940s JSAers' DON'T have sidekicks now?

[The Baron]

As with the original team, the Asian American sidekicks — Wing (Crimson Avenger) and Stuff, the Chinatown Kid (Vigilante) — are omitted. Is there any mention of why they won't be included?

Wing is a key character in this story. The kids try to save him, but he chooses to return to his proper place in time and die defeating the Nebula-Man.  Stuff does not get a mention.

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 Is that referenced in the series, or is some other timey-wimey device used?

Greg, Justin and Pat are still young-ish. No explanation is referenced.

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The female Shining Knight doesn't get a mention.

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Roy Harper doesn't get a mention.  Isn't his daughter alive again, too?

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A couple of decades later, The Spider replaced Wing.

The Spider doesn't get mention.

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In 2010 it was revealed that TNT and Dan the Dyna-Mite were retroactively part of the '40s team as GA/Speedy replacements, possibly erasing everything I said above. Or not.

TNT is shown to have been killed in action at the start of the story.  Dunbar starts the story as a sad old man, but is rejuvenated to teenhood by the end.  Current continutiy is that Ollie and Roy time traveled back to the 1940's and now are/were the Golden Age Green Arrow and Speedy.

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In the "Silver Age" event, Adam Strange, Batgirl, Blackhawk, Deadman, Mento, Metamorpho and Shining Knight (actually Gardner Grayle, the Atomic Knight) used the "Seven Soldiers" name. That's a one-off I don't expect to see again.

These guys don't get a mention.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The Infinite Crisis version of the 7 Soldiers consisted of Bulleteer (formerly Bulletgirl), Frankenstein, Klarion the Witch Boy, Manhattan Guardian, Mister Miracle, the female Shining Knight and Zatanna. Infinite Crisis left me very confused, so I don't know if this counts or not.

These guys never got a dinner, either.

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Blue Beetle was a Fox character, and is retroactively awarded a sidekick named Sparky.

Sparky, a.k.a Spunky, is not a retroactive character,  He first appeared in The Blue Beetle #14 (September 1942)

[The Baron]

"Tick-Tock", to be precise.

Captain Comics said:

. The reboot puts him in costume as Hourman's sidekick Quiz Kid, which didn't happen in the comics.

[Captain Comics]

I made the two fixes you mention.

Baron: "Wing is a key character in this story. The kids try to save him, but he chooses to return to his proper place in time and die defeating the Nebula-Man."

That is very sad, but it does make the continuity easier to remember.

Baron: "Stuff does not get a mention."

As usual. Poor kid never gets a mention.

Baron:

"Greg, Justin and Pat are still young-ish. No explanation is referenced."

"The female Shining Knight doesn't get a mention."

"Roy Harper doesn't get a mention."

"The Spider doesn't get mention."

"These guys don't get a mention."

"These guys never got a dinner, either."

This really streamlines the Seven Soldiers continuity, as they appear to have jettisoned everything from immediately post-Crisis to now, where:

Ollie and Roy time traveled back to the 1940s and now are/were the Golden Age Green Arrow and Speedy.

This is a pretty clumsy fix, but as I've said, really helps to streamline continuity. Anytime you say "Green Arrow," there's only one of them. 

Baron: "Isn't [Roy's] daughter alive again, too?

It would not surprise me.

TNT is shown to have been killed in action at the start of the story.  Dunbar starts the story as a sad old man, but is rejuvenated to teenhood by the end. 

I could use a pinch of that.

[Rob Staeger (Grodd Mod)]

Roy's daughter Lian is alive, and older than we'd last seen her (thanks to that soap opera magic of kids aging when they're offstage... but hey, probably 15 years actually elapsed since she died, anyhow). She's been appearing in Catwoman, I believe, as an ally named Boots.

I didn't realize Cherry Bomb was an anachronism, but yeah -- the term was apparently coined in 1953. The  explosives have been around since at least the 1920s, though.

John Henry Jr. is a precursor to Steel -- but his actual inspiration is John Henry, from Darwyn Cooke's New Frontier. I think they might be related, but they never met.

I like some of these sidekicks better than others. Some (like Quiz Kid and Tick-Tock) haven't really had a chance to shine. Some of these sidekicks, I see as appearing in one or two (new) golden age stories, but not teaming up regularly (Cherry Bomb and Ladybug seem like that sort). Salem, on the other hand, I can see teaming up with Dr. Fate against his wishes on a regular basis -- a magic nuisance he can't get rid of, who sometimes manages to save the day. Out of all the new ones, she's probably my favorite. Because to me her biggest problem (why would Dr. Fate have a sidekick?) seems like her biggest selling point. (He wouldn't! Not willingly.)

Others, though, like Betsy Ross and Molly Pitcher, feel authentically like Golden Age Sidekicks to me. A magic pitcher that pours out whatever you want it to? What a fun power! If they were around when Mort Weisinger were editing comics, we'd have an archive's worth of their stories.

[Captain Comics]

Others, though, like Betsy Ross and Molly Pitcher, feel authentically like Golden Age Sidekicks to me.

Both first appeared in early issues of Quality's Military Comics, as Betsy Rose and Molly Preacher, respectively. I haven't read those appearances yet, but I assume they didn't have super-powers or magic pitchers. I'll know soon enough, as PS Artbooks is about to start reprinting Military Comics. 

Another Betsy Ross was a supporting character in Captain America Comics who eventually became Golden Girl. 

Also, Paul Revere Jr. was a kid with his own strip in Ace's Super-Mystery Comics, who did the usual implausible foiling of adult spies and fifth columnists in his home town. He had two friends with equally patriotic names, Betsy Ross and Pat Henry, who helped him. His dad, District Attorney Paul Revere Sr., would sometimes offer sage advice, but didn't participate in the adventures, at least not the ones I've read.

I would be surprised if there weren't more Betsy Rosses in the Golden Age. 

TNT is shown to have been killed in action at the start of the story. 

Back in the Golden Age, or more currently?

[The Baron]

Back in the Golden Age, which I believe had been extablished previously, maybe in the Young All-Stars book.

Captain Comics said:

TNT is shown to have been killed in action at the start of the story. 

Back in the Golden Age, or more currently?