The Baron Re-Watches the "Star Wars" Movies in the "Correct" Order (SPOILERS)

I remember reading somewhere the opinion that in order to get the most out of the story of the Star Wars movies, one should watch them in the following order:

 

  1. Star Wars*
  2. The Empire Strikes Back
  3. The Phantom Menace
  4. Attack of the Clones
  5. Revenge of the Sith
  6. Return of the Jedi

 

I intened to put this to the test, and am posting this today in case anyone feels like playing along. I hope to have my thoughts about the first picture up sometime tomorrow.

 

*The first picture is not called "A New Hope". It was never called "A New Hope". Also, we have always been at war with Eurasia. Shut up.

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And Han shot first.

*The first picture is not called "A New Hope". It was never called "A New Hope". Also, we have always been at war with Eurasia. Shut up.

 Also, we have always been at war with Eurasia. Shut up.

HAW!

The Baron said:

*The first picture is not called "A New Hope". It was never called "A New Hope". Also, we have always been at war with Eurasia. Shut up.

Sure, the first picture wasn't initially called "A New Hope," but it it is now. 

Randy Jackson said:

And Han shot first.

Please remind me again why we're supposed to care whether Han shot first ...?

It changes his character and his character arc, and lessens the impact of his returning during the Death Star fight. If Greedo shoots first, then Han is fully justified in returning fire, and that removes a hard edge from his character. By Han shooting first, it reinforces the "me first" attitude he displayed throughout the movie until his return at the end of the movie, and also removes a level of heroism from his character. For those of us who love the character and his story, Han shooting first makes his return at the end that much more satisfying, as it's the last thing in the world anyone (who hasn't seen the movie) would expect.

ClarkKent_DC said:

Randy Jackson said:

And Han shot first.

Please remind me again why we're supposed to care whether Han shot first ...?

Ah, good, you've already addressed one question I was going to ask.

this order intrigues me...

I think the idea is that it takes the reveal at the end of Empire as sort of a launching point for a three-picture flashback, before returning to the "present" for the final picture.

Lucas at one time was quite proud of his skills as an editor. I'd love for him to take the prequel films and edit them into one 3 to 4 hour spectacular using most, if not all of Revenge of the Sith, and mining the first two films for only the most necessary footage to advance the plot line. Most of Phantom Menace could be reduced to 10 or 15 minutes of flashbacks.

Funny you should mention that. Almost 2 months ago there was a release in which someone re-edited the 3 prequels into a less than 3 hour movie. Also, Topher Grace did his own 85 minute version re-cut of them film. Neither are available now of course.

doc photo said:

Lucas at one time was quite proud of his skills as an editor. I'd love for him to take the prequel films and edit them into one 3 to 4 hour spectacular using most, if not all of Revenge of the Sith, and mining the first two films for only the most necessary footage to advance the plot line. Most of Phantom Menace could be reduced to 10 or 15 minutes of flashbacks.

I have found that those who refer to Star Wars as A New Hope also tend to use the term “Trekkers” instead of “Trekkies.” (Take it for whatever it’s worth.) When I was young, there was no real debate over which was the better franchise between Star Wars and Star Trek; it was more between Star Wars and Rocky;

The “Han Shot First” debate, inadvertently I think, raises all of the questions Randy summarized so well. That’s not how I saw it when I first, er… saw it, though. George Lucas had gone back and inserted a whole slew of neat little special effects whenever and wherever he could. I initially saw this as an opportunity for him to add one more blaster shot and not as an attempt to deliberately soften Han’s character (although, intentional or not, that is the effect it had). I could be totally off-base on this and he may have said that that was his intent, but I initially saw it as an attempt to make the scene a little “flashier.”

Star Wars

1)Ah, that Williams opening theme - so impressive the first time you hear it, so tedious by the fiftieth.

 

2)Certain scenes in this picture are hard to take seriously once you've seen Spaceballs - the first appearance of the giant imperial starship is one of them.

 

3)We meet the two bots, whom Lucas has said are based on the two peasant characters from The Hidden Fortress.  Never was wild about their design. - interestingly, Threepio is les sobnoxious than I remembered him being.

 

4)This one's no fault of Lucas', but every time I see the stormtroopers' helmets, I am reminded of the less than spectacular  debut of the Shockmaster.

 

5)Maybe it's because I'm older, but Vader is no longer the super-scary villain for me that he used to be. James Earl Jones' voice makes the character, for me. On one of the extras, you hear Dave Prowse delivering one of Vader's lines in his own voice, and somehow it's less impressive:  "Ye're a membrr o' the Rebel Alloyance an' a trai'or!"

 

6)Leia's hair-buns are another thing that Spaceballs killed for me.  I'll be honest, Fisher does not impress me with her acting chops in this.

 

7)Ooh, a Kurosawa wipe cut!

 

8)Again, I keep expecting the Jawas to go "Dink dink!"  I've always liked the Jawa sandcrawler, though.

 

9)We meet Luke - who's kind of squirrelly and whiny. I'm with Uncle Owen. Do your chores, boy!

 

10)Always liked the Sand-People.

 

11)Here's Obi-Wan - ooh, an actual actor! Actually, Guinness seems kind of washed-out in this. Also, sholdn't he recognize the driods? Maybe they're common enough models that he wouldn't automatically assume they were the same ones.

 

12)"You fought in the Clone Wars?" "No, actually, it was the Cola Wars."

 

13)"Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough."  "He betrayed and murdered your father."  For guardians of truth, the Jedi sure do kind of lie alot.

 

14)I'll leave it to more knowledgeable folks to discuss the significance of the whole "The Source"/"The Force", "Darkseid"/"Dark Side", "one of the heroes being the son of the chief baddie" parallels.

 

15)The Death Star is impressive.

 

16)Grand Moff Tarkin - ooh, another actual actor.  He doesn't get to do much in this, though. He does seem to be able to boss Vader around, though.

 

17)"I find your lack of pants faith disturbing."

 

18)Always liked the TIE fighters, too.

 

19)"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."  Somerville?

 

20)"These aren't the droids you're looking for."

 

21)I confess that I find the Cantina scene less impressive than I used to.

 

22)I also confess that I never much cared for Chewbacca as a character.  Never liked the design, and his yowling gets on my nerves.

 

23)I'd forgotten that perm they had on Solo - ah, the 70's.  Still, he's probably my favorite character in these early movies, mostly because he's not always jabbering about the Force or the Rebellion.

 

24)"It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs."  Except that parsecs are a measure of distance, not speed.

 

25)OK,we already talked about Han firing first. Were Jabba and Boba Fett in this picture originally, or are they part of the added bits?

 

26)Lots of Star Trek jargon made it into this: "deflector shields", "starfleet", "tractor beam". Even "proton torpedoes" is a near miss.

 

27)"I felt a great disturbance in the Force."  Or you just ate beans for supper, again.

 

28)"That's no moon."  Miranda Otto as the Death Star: "I am no moon!"

 

29)"I have a very bad feeling about this." Luke says it first.

 

30)"What an incredible smelel you've discovered!"  Again, beans for supper.

 

31)"I gotta bad feeling about this." Then Han.

 

32)The incessant bickering between Leia and Han gets tedious real fast.  Also, Luke's possessiveness about Leia becomes retrospectively creepy once we find out that they're siblings.  I've always suspected that Lucas hadn't quite worked out all the detials of the story by this point.

 

33)"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." In other words, "If you strike me down, I shall be able to appear as a ghost sometimes and dispense platitudes and occasional bits of exposition." Of course, Obi-Wan lets Vader kill him.  Be funny if Obi-Wan had killed Vader right then.

 

34)The fat guy is called "Porkins"? Seriously?

 

35)Shouldn't something the size of the Death Star have more than a dozen or so fighters?

 

36)The final battle is well-done. Of course, we all knew Han wasn't going to just take off, but it's still a big "cheering" moment.

 

37)Considering how quickly the Rebs found the station's one flaw, you'd think the Imps would have spotted it in the design stage.

 

Overall: A fun picture, but not one that I personally would have imagined becoming the legendary epic that it did. I remember my father saw this picture and said that it was essentially a re-hash of the serials he watched when he was a kid, and that it wasn't any better written.  I guess it just re-told the right story at the rigth time in the right way to catch the public's imagination.

 

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