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  • The Baron March 10, 2010 at 3:16pm
    The Twelve: Spearhead #1 : OK, so this is a species of prequel, showing the events that led to the gathering of the heroes that would become "The Twelve". Dynamic Tension Man kills a bunch of Nazis sadistically. The Phantom Reporter is attached to the military as sort of "Mystery Man War Correspondent". The Golden Age Black Widow kills a bunch of Nazis sadistically. Bozo the Iron Man Electro kills a bunch of Nazis sadistically. MisterMind X-Acto makes vague predictions. The Gay Blue Blade is unfunny. The Witness is a buzzkill and says "Jews" alot to Mr. E. Captain America is kind of obnoxious to the Reporter but invites him along on a mission. RockStupidMan has the Red Torpedo's drill thing, and then they destroy the German rocketry program and capture the Spear of Destiny's Child, and Laughing Boy does a war crime and Nick Fury hurts his eye but I thought that happened in Korea?
  • Captain Comics March 10, 2010 at 3:57pm
    Fury did injure his eye in World War II, but not in 1945, and not with The Twelve, or even the Howlers. We read the story, true believers, in Sgt. Fury and the Howling Commandos #27 (Feb 66) in "Fury Fights Alone!"
  • The Baron March 10, 2010 at 4:22pm
    Captain Comics said:
    Fury did injure his eye in World War II, but not in 1945, and not with The Twelve, or even the Howlers. We read the story, true believers, in Sgt. Fury and the Howling Commandos #27 (Feb 66) in "Fury Fights Alone!"

    Interesting. Thanks, Skipper, I never knew that.
  • Pencho15 March 13, 2010 at 1:54pm
    If I don't remember wrong, on "The Twelve #1 the Phantom Reporter said they had never worked together before the mission that got them in suspended animation, if that's true then how are they working together here?
    I think the only interest in this series is to remember you about the characters now that they are finally going to end their long delayed mini, and that's is the only thing I'm exited about, The Twelve #9 finally on stores.
  • The Baron March 13, 2010 at 1:59pm
    That's an interesting point, I'll have to dig out the original issues and re-read them.
  • Jeff of Earth-J March 16, 2010 at 10:47am
    This one-shot served its purpose (to whet my appetite sufficiently for the conclusion of the limited series) well enough. Sometimes a series such as The Twelve can otherwise nondescript source material noteworthy. that's the case with me, anyway. Changing gears here, I think John Byrne had a good idea with his "Lost Generation" series, but he went about it the wrong way. Rather than inventing a whole new set of characters to fill the gap between 1945 and the time the FF took their historic flight ("ten years ago" or whenever it's supposed to be now), he should have used pre-existing Golden Age characters the way JMS did. I think under those circumstances, other writers and editors would have been more likely to use them. As it stands now, they're "John Byrne's characters" and the whole series is more or less a Mopee.
  • Rich Steeves March 16, 2010 at 4:50pm
    I respectfully disagree here. I absolutely loved the Lost Gen, and thought that many of the characters created for it were very creative and era-appropriate. I fervently hoped that they'd make a Tales of the Lost Gen anthology title, but aside from Pixie and Yeti in X-Men the Hidden Years, I don't know if they've ever been seen again...

    Jeff of Earth-J said:
    This one-shot served its purpose (to whet my appetite sufficiently for the conclusion of the limited series) well enough. Sometimes a series such as The Twelve can otherwise nondescript source material noteworthy. that's the case with me, anyway. Changing gears here, I think John Byrne had a good idea with his "Lost Generation" series, but he went about it the wrong way. Rather than inventing a whole new set of characters to fill the gap between 1945 and the time the FF took their historic flight ("ten years ago" or whenever it's supposed to be now), he should have used pre-existing Golden Age characters the way JMS did. I think under those circumstances, other writers and editors would have been more likely to use them. As it stands now, they're "John Byrne's characters" and the whole series is more or less a Mopee.
  • Chris Fluit March 16, 2010 at 5:28pm
    I respectfully disagree here. I absolutely loved the Lost Gen, and thought that many of the characters created for it were very creative and era-appropriate.

    I agree with Rich. I thought that the Lost Gen was great and the fact that other writers haven't used it or referenced it has done nothing to change my opinion.
  • Jeff of Earth-J March 16, 2010 at 7:53pm
    I may not have stated my case very well. I liked Lost Gen, too. I read it three times: once "backwards" (i.e., forwards, as it was being released), once "forwards" (i.e., backwards just for the heck of it), and a third time in the order it was intended to be read. For the record, it "reads" much better counting down to #1, as it was written. In case you're wondering, Byrne's Generations series at DC read better in the order they were released rather than chronologically the way they happened, too (and yes, I have read them both ways).

    My point was that someone other than John Byrne may have been inspired to build upon his premise if he had used pre-existing Golden Age characters as JMS did in The Twelve.
  • Jeff of Earth-J March 17, 2010 at 7:45am
    After I logged off last night I continued thinking and came to the conclusion that it was my use of the term "Mopee" which led to the cognitive disconnect. Most of the time (even on this board), whenever I see the term Mopee used it is a call to "reset" a particular story. But I used in the sense of a story that tried unsuccessfully to rewrite the past in a story that's universally ignored by fans and companies alike. I lament that fact in the case of Lost Gen, but "the whole series" remains, nevertheless, "more or less" a Mopee in that sense of the term.

    At this point, though, enought time has passed that Marvel could conceivably sandwich in another "lost generation" of Golden Age heroes between 1945 and the beginning of the Lost Generation era. Not counting JMS's use of twelve GA Timely heroes, there are still plenty left whose '50s activities and ultimate fates have yet to be revealed.
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