From the Archives: Deck Log Entry # 40 "But I Always Thought . . . ." the Justice League of America

Once again, gang, I’m going to blow away some of the commonly held misconceptions about the fictional details of the Silver Age heroes.  As I mentioned the last time I did this, an abundance of continuity errors made in the 1970’s became factoids when writers and fans who came in late accepted the mistakes as legitimate information.  When 1985's Crisis on Infinite Earths wiped away the old histories and replaced them with new ones, it further confused the issue, as the next generation of readers took the revised continuities as having been always in place.


Just to remind everyone of the ground rules, I understand that the Crisis established “new facts”, as it were, for DC’s various heroes.  I’m not challenging the revisions; they are fact as far as the post-1985 continuities are concerned.  Here, I merely reveal that it was not always thus.  I am less gracious about upending the misconceptions that resulted from inaccurate details that some writers sloppily allowed to infect the stories of the 1970’s.  Here, the mistakes were clearly wrong and I am telling you the way it really was.


Got it?  Good.  Now, let’s set the Silver-Age record straight on the . . .




Myth 1:  Snapper Carr Was the Justice League’s Mascot.


You guys knew I was going to start with this one, didn’t you? 


Denny O’Neil, the first writer to take over the JLA title after Gardner Fox departed, clearly had no love for the finger-popping, English-bending teen-ager.  As Mr. O’Neil told Michael Eury in an interview appearing in Eury’s Justice League Companion (Twomorrows Publishing, 2005), “I didn’t see that [Snapper Carr] belonged in those stories.  I didn’t see what story function he was serving . . . . And I didn’t see what we were going to use him for.”


After months of ignoring him, O’Neil jettisoned Snapper from the Justice League by drafting a tale that required an extreme warping of the teen’s personality (and shaving several points off his I.Q.) to accomplish it.  When it appeared in JLA # 77 (Dec., 1969), Snapper-fans (and there are some) were outraged.  But the longest-lasting damage O’Neil inflicted on the young hipster was insisting that he was the team’s mascot.  That idea took off like wildfire and remains Snapper’s status in the minds of a great many JLA fans to this day.


Wrong!  Wrong!  Wrong!


As clearly stated and depicted in the debut JLA tale in The Brave and the Bold # 28 (Feb.-Mar., 1960), Snapper was awarded an honorary membership in the Justice League.  He was consistently referred to as the League’s honorary member throughout the some fifty-odd adventures in which he appeared during the Silver-Age.



Myth 2:  Adam Strange, Batgirl, Zatanna, Hawkgirl, et al., Were Honorary Members of the JLA.


Not in the Silver Age they weren’t.


Between 1960 and 1968, besides the ten heroes who were full-fledged members of the League, there were only two individuals who held a special status with the team:  Snapper Carr, who was an honorary member; and Metamorpho.  Metamorpho was elected to full membership in the League in JLA # 42 (Feb., 1966), but the Element Man turned it down, on the argument that he did not want to be a super-hero.  Instead, the Justice League named him as a “stand-by member”.


Several other heroes made guest appearances with the Justice League during the Silver Age---Adam Strange, Zatanna, Hawkgirl, Batgirl---and at the end of the respective stories in which they appeared, the only thing they received from the Justice League was a hearty handshake.


But that wasn’t good enough for the “whiz kids” behind Amazing World of DC Comics # 14 (Mar., 1977). 


Amazing World of DC Comics was a professional fanzine launched in 1974.  It was co-produced, co-written, and co-edited by a coterie of DC’s junior staffers and interns who were so eager to get their Neat Ideas published that they stumbled all over themselves.  With such unbridled enthusiasm and little oversight from the top, many of the Neat Ideas which saw print suffered from a multitude of sins. 


The junior staffers particularly enjoyed fleshing out concepts in the fictional histories of DC characters.  In and of itself, there was nothing wrong with that.  However, all too often these eager beavers based their Neat Ideas on erroneous information misremembered from old stories.  Or addressed things which had already been addressed.  


AWODCC # 14, which was touted as being everything a JLA fan needed to know about the Justice League, was especially guilty of these sins. 


Among the fabrications appearing in AWODCC # 14 was the notion that any hero who assisted the JLA on a case received an honorary membership in the League.  It specifically mentioned Adam Strange, Zatanna, Hawkgirl, Batgirl, and Supergirl as receiving such status.


To be sure, Hawkgirl and Zatanna would be awarded full-fledged JLA memberships post-Silver Age, but at no time, in any Silver-Age story, did any of these heroes become honorary members of the Justice League.  You won’t find any statement, reference, or mention of such a thing in any issue of JLA, for that matter.


This is a prime example of a “Neat Idea” that fans glom onto and hold tenaciously.  Yet, it’s a self-serving, curiously discriminating Neat Idea, since neither AWODCC # 14, nor any other reference which based its misinformation on that tabloid, ever included Robin, the Boy Wonder as an honorary JLAer, even though he participated in at least two League adventures by 1977.


It’s also bears pointing out that no actual DC story subsequent to AWODCC # 14 ever corroborated the idea that Adam Strange or Batgirl or Supergirl were honorary Justice Leaguers.  At least, not until the Crisis on Infinite Earths meant that all bets were off.





Myth 3:  Hawkgirl Was Originally Rejected as a JLA Member Because of the League’s “No Duplication of Powers” Rule.


This notion took root in JLA # 146 (Sep., 1977).  The writer of that issue, Steve Englehart, was trying to provide a reason why Hawkman’s wife and long-time crime-fighting partner had not yet been admitted to the Justice League.  What Mr. Englehart came up with---a “No Duplication of Powers” JLA by-law---I suspect he cadged from a similar rule devised for 1970’s Legion of Super-Heroes stories (and which, also, was not part of the Silver-Age Legion canon).  He could have saved himself the trouble if he had bothered to read the Silver-Age JLA story of Hawkman’s admission to the League in JLA # 31 (Nov., 1964).


Hawkgirl was initially not admitted to the group because the Justice League’s by-laws allowed only one new member annually.  In fact, this was stated plainly when the Atom appeared at a charity function to inform Hawkman of his induction into the League, on page 5, panel 2:


Gardner Fox did not pull this excuse simply to exclude Hawkgirl.  It was a long-standing rule. 


Under his reign as JLA writer, Fox had established that the League strictly controlled its membership.  There was no “Hey, this hero helped us out on this case; let’s make him a member” nonsense.  Wonder Woman stated the restriction on membership clearly 'way back in JLA # 4 (Apr.-May, 1961), the issue in which the Green Arrow joined the League:  “Remember---according to our constitution and by-laws---we can admit only one new member at a time!”


As Silver-Age readers witnessed, only four times did the JLA hold a meeting to consider new members (JLA # 4, # 14, # 31, # 42), and while individual members certainly had their preferences, no member ever sponsored a hero for membership.  A vote was taken and the hero who got the majority of votes was offered membership.


Why Hawkgirl was not made a member subsequent to her husband’s admission in the Silver Age, one can presume, was simply a matter of her not getting sufficient votes.





Myth 4:  The JLA’s Original Headquarters, the Secret Sanctuary, Was Located Just Outside of Happy Harbor, Rhode Island.


This is another one to blame on Amazing World of DC Comics # 14.  No doubt because somebody felt the Secret Sanctuary had to be put somewhere


I can see the thinking here . . . honorary member Snapper Carr had the most limited means of transportation, so in order for him to attend JLA meetings as often as he did, the Secret Sanctuary had to be in a place close to him.  If so, this is another case of junior writers not knowing the details of the JLA’s Silver-Age continuity.


In his sixty-five Justice League tales, Gardner Fox never specified where the Secret Sanctuary was located, other than it was situated in the tallest peak of a “great mountain range” (JLA # 31).  So there is no definitive Silver-Age information that the Sanctuary was near Happy Harbor.


It doesn’t even make sense internally that the Justice League deliberately constructed its original headquarters near Happy Harbor to make it easier for Snapper to attend meetings.  That’s because the Secret Sanctuary was built before they even met the kid.  (The Brave and the Bold # 28 and JLA # 9)


However, the JLA did make it easy for Snapper to reach the Secret Sanctuary, wherever it was.  As revealed in JLA # 12 (Jun., 1962), the members installed an anti-gravity device in Snapper’s hot-rod.  Whenever he needed to report to the Secret Sanctuary, Snapper merely had to press a hidden button located in a “secluded spot” on the outskirts of Happy Harbor, and immediately, his jalopy was “whisked across country” to the mountain HQ.  This mechanism was shown a few times in the Silver-Age tales.


And, yes, I know---“across country” is non-specific; it doesn’t necessarily mean literally across the country. On the other hand, it does imply a distance greater than just outside of town, particularly given the fact that the Snapster was already just outside of town when he activated the device.


The need for Snapper to use an anti-gravity device and the fact that the Secret Sanctuary was located in a great mountain range make it unlikely that the JLA’s meeting place was located in Rhode Island.  Nor was there any need for it to be.


Despite that, many fans also think it’s a Neat Idea that the JLA’s mountain HQ was located in Happy Harbor and will rationalise it by insisting, “Well, maybe on Earth-One, Rhode Island does have a mountain range.”


If it means that much to them, sure, why not?  But it’s still a development that occurred after the Silver Age.  Gardner Fox never said anything about Rhode Island.





Myth 5:  Superman and Batman Rarely Took a Significant Part in JLA Adventures Until the “Bat-Craze” of 1966-7, When They Became Major Participants.


There is some truth in parts of that, but the overall statement is untrue.


Because of the constraints of (1) changing editorial fiats, (2) the burgeoning membership of the League, and (3) the need to come up with credible threats every month, Gardner Fox developed four formulae governing which heroes participated in JLA stories.  Each formula represented a specific phase of Silver-Age Justice League adventures.


Initially, Superman and Batman’s participation in JLA stories was severely curtailed.  Often, in the early days, they appeared in only a few panels of a given story, and sometimes, not at all.  Fox explained the reason for this in an interview published in the fanzine Batmania # 22 (Mar., 1977):  “I didn’t use Superman or Batman very much in the first few years of the Justice League.  [Superman editor] Mort Weisinger and [Batman editor] Jack Schiff didn’t want us to.  They thought I’d overexpose the characters.”


Thus, that was Fox’s first formula.  Outside of infrequent exceptions (such as JLA # 1 and # 2), the World’s Finest Team was kept on the bench while the other five charter members and, later, Green Arrow handled all of the action.



By early 1962, the initially high sales of JLA had begun to sag.  According to his autobiography, JLA editor Julius Schwartz met with DC publisher Jack Liebowitz over the slumping circulation, and he informed the publisher of Weisinger’s and Schiff’s territorial prohibitions against using their heroes in JLA.  Schwartz and Liebowitz agreed that the best way to restore JLA’s rating was to utilise DC’s two most popular characters.  According to Schwartz, Liebowitz instructed him to go back to his fellow editors and tell them “Superman and Batman belong to DC Comics and not to Mort Weisinger and Jack Schiff!”


Now directed to include Superman and Batman in his plots, Fox shifted to his second formula, starting with JLA # 10 (Mar., 1962).  This was essentially to use the entire League membership, dividing the action equally among the eight super-heroes (nine, after the Atom joined, in issue # 14).  Fox kept his structure of dividing the League into three teams to handle components of the mission at hand, then bringing the whole group together at the end to face the main threat.  However, the sub-teams were more crowded, composed now of three heroes, instead of one or two.


Clearly, though, Superman and Batman’s active participation in League adventures began four years before the debut of the Batman television show launched the “Bat-Craze” that put Batman on the cover of practically every comic DC produced.


Fox soon found that employing all nine super-heroes equally in every story made it difficult to keep coming up with villains powerful enough to pose a genuine danger to the entire Justice League.  To remedy that problem, Fox came up with his third formula:  he would include every member of the League in each story, but would find a way to sideline some of them for a large part of the adventure.  He might have four or five members fall victim to the villain early in the plot, leaving the rest of the members to deal with the menace.  Or he might start out with only five or six members and bring in the remaining heroes at the end, cavalry-fashion.


He began using this structure in JLA # 23 (Nov., 1963).  Superman and Batman weren’t consistently relegated to the sidelined group; sometimes they were, sometimes they weren’t.  Throughout this phase, the World’s Finest Team got approximately the same exposure, overall, as every other member.


This third formula represented the shortest of the four phases.  By JLA # 29 (Aug., 1964), Fox began to simplify his format even more, introducing his “rotating membership” formula.  Now, JLA stories would not include every member, even briefly.  Fox’s scripts would call for usually only five members on hand, but sometimes six or seven.  The absent members would be explained away as being “tied up on urgent cases of their own”.


Shortly into this fourth phase, Julius Schwartz handed Fox another editorial fiat:  again, to increase sales, Schwartz dictated that the JLAers whose parent titles were selling the best---Batman, Superman, the Flash, Green Lantern, and Hawkman---would be featured most prominently in Fox’s JLA scripts.  To a lesser extent, the Atom and Wonder Woman would show up for missions.  And suddenly, Aquaman, Green Arrow, and J’onn J’onzz---at the bottom of the sales figures---found themselves tied up on urgent cases of their own almost all the time.


Soon after, when Batmania took hold of the country, the Masked Manhunter became the de facto star of JLA, with Superman, because of his close association with Batman, running a close second.  For fans who started reading JLA because of the newfound prominence of Batman and Superman, the Justice League Giant Annuals published during those years were perplexing, indeed.  The covers would place the Caped Crusader and the Man of Steel in the forefront, eclipsing their fellow JLAers.  Yet, the stories within were reprints of those early tales when Superman and Batman were scarcely seen at all.


Talk about your bait-and-switch!


To a casual reader of JLA, who remembered how little the World’s Finest Team had been seen originally, their explosion of prominence in the title would have seemed like a sudden change.


But, actually, Superman and Batman had been right there in the thick of Justice League action for years.





Myth 6:  the Martian Manhunter Has Always Been the Heart and Soul of the Justice League.


This is one of those Neat Ideas that, thanks to post-Crisis revision, stands as true now.  But it doesn’t hold up if one tries to apply it to the actual issues of JLA during the Silver Age.


The original ban against using Superman and Batman gave a big boost to J’onn J’onzz’s prominence in the early days of the League.  With the Man of Steel largely out of the picture, the Manhunter stepped in as the heavyweight member of the team.  J’onn J’onzz wasn’t quite as durable as Superman and his fire weakness was a bit too convenient, but his Martian super-strength and other Kryptonian-like powers made him the logical choice to fill in as the Metropolis Marvel’s understudy.


Employing him in the Superman rôle, Fox rarely opted to show the Manhunter using his more esoteric Martian powers.  A check of Fox’s run on JLA reveals that he depicted J’onn J’onzz using his non-Superman-like powers only nine times.


When Superman became an active member in Justice League adventures, the Manhunter lost his heavy-hitter status.  And with Fox’s reluctance to display the Martian’s unique abilities, the Alien Ace became redundant.  With both Superman and a Superman-like Manhunter on the team, Fox was experiencing a taste of the problem that Mort Weisinger was having with the Legion of Super-Heroes:  too many heroes with Kryptonian-like super-powers.  Notably, when Fox turned to his third formula of sidelining half of the JLA for most of a mission, Superman and J’onn J’onzz were never part of the active half of the team at the same time.  Either one or the other would be in the short-shrifted group, and sometimes, both would be.


The real signal, though, that the Martian Manhunter’s status in the League was in trouble came in JLA # 28 (Jun., 1964).  Though featuring every other JLA member, J’onn J’onzz was nowhere in evidence.  His absence wasn’t even explained.  Though not evident for several issues, this was a harbinger of things to come.


From this point on---and note, this wasn’t even halfway though Fox’s time as JLA writer---the Manhunter’s part in the League began to dwindle.  After Schwartz handed down his order to use the most popular League heroes, J’onn J’onzz was appearing in, maybe, one out of every five stories.


The cancellation of the Manhunter from Mars series with House of Mystery # 173 (Mar.-Apr., 1968) was the final nail for his participation in League stories.  Fox would write four more issues of JLA.  Three of them were plotted around using the entire Justice League, yet the Alien Ace was absent from every one, without even the dignity of an “urgent case of his own” by-your-leave.


Given the Manhunter’s diminishing status in the Justice League from 1964 on, it’s difficult to insist that he was “the heart and soul” of the team without relying on the post-Crisis rewriting of history.

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Comment by Commander Benson on July 10, 2013 at 1:09pm

Actually, Mr. Moret, your post didn't sound the least confrontational or antagonistic.  It was an example of the kind of posts we all appreciate here---a reasoned, thoughtful expression of your own opinion.  It is I who inadvertently set the wrong tone if I sounded like I was "taking a swing" at your comments.


It just happened to be you who pointed out the argument that "nothing ever said those heroes weren't honorary members."  It's true, which makes it a common argument.  But that sort of it's-true-because-nobody-said-it-wasn't "proof" , I feel, opens the door much too wide.  It always reminds me of the closing narration by Criswell in the film Plan Nine from Outer Space, when he justifies the truth of the events in the film by stating, "Can you prove that it didn't happen?"


If, in attempting the oh-so-difficult task of proving a negative, I sounded like I was pummeling on you, I apologise.


On the bright side, in your response above, you stated something which I couldn't agree with more:


I am not really sure for any of the heroes where honorary membership would be of a benefit that would factor in to a story, either the JLA or Avengers would help you honorary or not if you had a big enough problem.


Yes!  One of the popular JLA tropes that came out of the post-Crisis period was the notion that there are "reserve" Justice League members whom the team could call in, during times of crisis.  This made no sense to me.


If a figure was truly a super-hero, he would respond to a request for help by the Justice League, whether he was a member or not.  It renders the purpose of "reserve membership" pointless.

Comment by Emerkeith Davyjack on July 10, 2013 at 12:55pm

...I'm put to mind of that " I've got the power !!!!!!!!! " dance/house music/hip hop song from the early 90s , which had a bunch of different versions/mixes with different artist credits for complicated reasons - Snap!'s version was the largest U.S. pop chart hit , I believe . It's gettin' , it's gettin' , it's gettin' kinda hectic...........

Comment by John Moret on July 10, 2013 at 12:39pm
First off Commander, I want to apologize if I came off as confrontational in my comments. It was not my intention. I generally like to keep things light but if I gave that impression, I am sorry.

I agree that there should have been more attention paid to detail and I honestly never looked at things that closely although spelling mistakes kept catching my eye. I was just so damned pleased to get it when it came out because I was a huge JLA fan and I read it until it fell apart. I just got a new copy a few years ago and having learned my earlier lesson, scanned it this time.

As far as who was an honorary member, I still believe it is possible that those mentioned in AWODCC could be as to why it never came up, I would just put it as it was not a factor one way or another, kind of like Mar-vell in The Avengers or did his honorary membership come up posthumously or The Guardians of the Galaxy. I only recall hearing of their honorary status in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. I am not really sure for any of the heroes where honorary membership would be of a benefit that would factor in to a story, either the JLA or Avengers would help you honorary or not if you had a big enough problem.
Comment by Mr. Silver Age on July 10, 2013 at 12:15pm

Errors in columns always generate a lot of reader response, that's why I found ways to make so many. That's my story.

-- MSA

Comment by Captain Comics on July 10, 2013 at 12:12pm

Commander Benson said:

"But then, over on the thread in which the Baron is reviewing All Star Comics, I saw Cap's comments about the shift in Superman and Batman's participation in the Justice League---and reconsidered that maybe some of the information was worth repeating, after all."

I was hoping you hadn't seen that. I was in a hurry writing that, and I was pretty sure I was wrong, but I couldn't remember what was right!

Comment by Mr. Silver Age on July 10, 2013 at 12:02pm

In any event, over the years I've done this column, I've learnt that I can't go wrong whenever I run something about the Justice League or the Legion of Super-Heroes.

I know the feeling. They're good topics because they have a lot of fans, and their histories are so convoluted. No matter what we write, someone can find something somewhere that contradicts it. With the LSH, it was part of the plan, while the JLA has to mesh with a variety of other books and had a team structure that was often alluded to but never really spelled out.

It's a shame that AWODCC #14 was so slap-dash, because that's supposed to be the go-to place for sorting out the confusion. It's one thing to add in patches and bridges between the gaps and say "that fixes that," but to get flat-out facts wrong for unknown reasons--why not just open JLA #19 and check rather than go by memory?

I imagine in a few cases they thought they were settling discrepancies and being definitive, but they went a little overboard in thinking there were discrepancies on things that were settled.

-- MSA

Comment by Philip Portelli on July 10, 2013 at 5:14am

Going back to The Super Friends tabloid, Robin is grouped with heroes who helped the JLA in the past like Metamorpho and Sargon the Sorcerer. Also included was Plastic Man due to his cameo on the cartoon.

The ladies were also spotlighted: Supergirl, Batgirl, Zatanna, Mera and Hawkgirl!

Comment by Commander Benson on July 10, 2013 at 2:59am

"With respect to AWODCC # 14, admittedly a lot of stuff came out of the blue (BLACK john stewart LANTERN?) but with respect to things like the honorary membershipe of Batgirl, Supergirl, Adam Strange and the others, although it wasn't shown or stated that they were offered honorary membership, there wasn't necessarily anything to contradict it either. I chalk it up to enthusiasm. The main hand on that issue was Mark Gruenwald and he was a known long time fan of the JLA. Part of it may have just been him trying to leave his mark on the series in one form or another."


Just so I'm clear on this, I have no problem, in theory, with enrichening the history and background of the Justice League.  But even new additions to the mythos must make sense and must conform to the established facts.  Instead, Mr. Gruenwald and the other junior staffers responsible for AWODCC # 14 seemed to have just tossed in their Neat Ideas willy-nilly, without regard for whether they were corroborated by the stories themselves or, worse yet, contradicted.


It's one thing for a '70's DC writer to make a continuity error in a story, but it's a greater sin to prepare something touted as an authoritative reference work and have it filled with errors because of the lack of proper research.


I went over AWODCC # 14 this evening and found ten significant errors in fact.  I'm not talking about fabrications that were unsubstantiated by the stories; I'm talking about statements presented as fact that were clearly wrong with regard to what had been established in the Justice League stories themselves.


I'm talking about things such as the statement on page 17 that the Justice League's exile into space, in JLA # 19 (May, 1963), was ordered by the United Nations.   (It wasn't; it was an order of a district court judge who had jurisdiction over some of the crimes of which the JLA had been accused.  The United Nations is never even mentioned in that story.)  Compounding that initial error, later in AWODCC # 14, the same story is used to substantiate the notion that the United Nations has oversight of the Justice League's activities.


Other misstatements are more blatant.  According the information on the JLA's operations presented on pages 18-9 of AWODCC # 14, "honorary members may not call emergency meetings".  That would come as quite a surprise to Snapper Carr, who did just that in The Brave and the Bold # 29 and JLA # 7 and JLA # 12.  No doubt it would also come as a surprise to the writer of that rule, who apparently never read those stories.


That kind of sloppiness is just plain unforgivable in a work which purports to be an authoritative guide.


Other Neat Ideas presented in AWODCC # 14, while not directly contradicted by the JLA stories, were undermined by them.  You pointed out, Mr. Moret, that nothing in the JLA tales contradicted the notion that Adam Strange, Batgirl, Supergirl, and the others mentioned were honorary JLA members.  In terms of opposing fact, you're correct.  But I would point out that, if Adam Strange was a honorary member, it's more than just a little peculiar that this was never mentioned in any of the several stories in which Strange appeared with the League (JLA # 24, # 120-1, # 138-9, # 200).  Just as it's highly unlikely that the honorary JLA memberships of Batgirl and Supergirl were never mentioned in the hundreds of tales featuring those two characters.


(Which only serves to show that even DC itself did not take the information presented strictly in AWODCC # 14 as genuine parts of their characters' mythoi.)


And, again, AWODCC # 14 made no mention of Robin's honorary membership, even though he assisted the League on at least two occasions.  Thus, they weren't even interally consistent. 


My surmise on what led the writers of AWODCC # 14 to put the original JLA mountain HQ just outside of Happy Harbor is strictly that---my opinion.  I'm unaware of any account which supports it.  Still, I would bet I'm right about it.  I can easily envision the conversation that Mr. Gruenwald and his buds had about it.


"Hey, was it ever stated where the Secret Sanctuary was located?"


"I don't think so . . . except that it was in a mountain, I think."


"Well, let's put it somewhere.  Any ideas, guys?"


"There's that kid, Snapper Carr, who was their mascot---"


"Honorary member."


"Whatever---he was always at the meetings, and he didn't fly or have a plane or anything, so it had to be some place easy for him to reach.  What was that town he was from?"


"Happy Harbor."


"That's it.  So we'll say the Secret Sanctuary was just outside Happy Harbor.  That'll explain how the kid was able to get to the meetings."


That's the kind of thinking that results when Neat Ideas are birthed from people's imperfect memories, rather than research.  In reading AWODCC # 14, I get the distinct feeling that it was cobbled together over a week-end in somebody's living room by a bunch of guys with a typewriter, delivery pizza, a couple of six-packs, and some Neat Ideas.

Comment by Richard Willis on July 10, 2013 at 1:03am


Thanks for calling my attention to your Green Lantern movie thread. I will play catch-up on it.

Comment by ClarkKent_DC on July 10, 2013 at 12:32am

The CGI characters in Green Lantern didn't bother me in the slightest. The rest of it, however ... 


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