According to Dan Didio, as reported here, there never was a Crisis on Infinite Earths in the new DCU.
No Infinite Crisis, No Final Crisis. No Zero Hour and no Identity Crisis.
Discus.
Edited to add: According to several sources, Identity Crisis is still in continuity. My mistake!
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I was just thinking that Hank not mentioning her all that time makes it look like he MURDERED her!
"Killed by communists" indeed!
Continuity is always a problem, because it rewards long-time readers at the expense of new readers--and the writers and editors who don't know it. So there's a natural tendency to bemoan it's limitations and point to it as the problem.
There's always this mantra about "I don't care about continuity, I just want a good story!" And then continuity gets disregarded, and everyone is up in arms. It's a no-win situation.
I find it interesting that DC is cutting loose its long-time readers by telling them that nothing they ever read was "real," yet they aren't making the comics all that accessible to lapsed DC readers, much less comic-store visitors much less non-comics readers. Either their strategy is inscrutable to me or they're not very good at it.
-- MSA
You do realize, Figs, that every time you knock Hank down, I'm going to defend him! :-)
It was her idea to travel back to her communist country after she escaped because she thought being married to an American would protect her. Sadly it did not. And Hank thought it was unwise but he agreed because she wanted to go.
But I agree that dropping Maria Pym and her unhealthy resemblence to Jan was a good thing!
"Either their strategy is inscrutable to me or they're not very good at it."
Umm... the latter, I think.
You know, it's strange, I've read that Wasp debut/origin story several times over the years, and somehow it never bothered me.
I see that after 10 episodes of Jack Kirby, Don Heck, Larry Lieber and Stan Lee, it went to Jack Kirby, Don Heck, Ernie Hart & Stan Lee for the 5 episodes of Ant-Man and the Wasp. I wonder exactly what Ernie Hart contributed? Just dialogue, presumably... (It's so difficult to really be sure about the posted credits on so many of those books.)
I see that after 10 episodes of Jack Kirby, Don Heck, Larry Lieber and Stan Lee, it went to Jack Kirby, Don Heck, Ernie Hart & Stan Lee for the 5 episodes of Ant-Man and the Wasp. I wonder exactly what Ernie Hart contributed? Just dialogue, presumably... (It's so difficult to really be sure about the posted credits on so many of those books.)
My interpretation of the plot/script credits of some early Marvel comics is, Lee didn't have time to/didn't want to write full scripts for everything, so he handed that part of the process over to someone else. If Hart was writing full scripts, he will likely have written the dialogue before the story was drawn. Presumably Kirby followed the scripts he was given because otherwise the dialogue would have had to have been rewritten to match his changes. So if Kirby contributed to the plots, it was presumably by giving ideas to Lee that he incorporated into whatever written plot he gave the scripter.
In this interview Larry Lieber says he always wrote full scripts, even when working with Kirby.
Did Simon and Kirby deliver their pages already lettered? If so, they'll have had control over the rescripting part of the process. In the 70s Kirby wrote his dialogue on the pages, but I've not seen Kirby pages from the 60s where he did that. He wrote in the borders when working Marvel style with Lee, but didn't supply complete dialogue. If Hart did write full script, and if Kirby significantly departed from his scripts, the pages will have had to have been given to him after they were drawn for script alterations, or Lee will have had to correct the script himself.
On the other hand, John Romita talks about making changes to Robert Kanigher's scripts when working at DC in this interview. That fits with my argument if he did the lettering himself, but he also talks in the interview about DC having the best lettering at the time, which implies otherwise. I suppose he might've pencilled in the words on the page as a guide to the letterer, or written corrections on the script before sending the script and the art to the letterer.
My impression of S&K was that they worked like a "shop", and supplied finished comics to whichever publisher they worked with. I think the only part they didn't do was the coloring. But they did hire their own letterers.
There was a LOT of resentment at DC over S&K's treatment in the early 40's. They got higher page rates, I think they got royalties, and they got their names plastered on the covers of the comics.
"Either their strategy is inscrutable to me or they're not very good at it."
Umm... the latter, I think.
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