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Or "the Forgotten Heroes," which is what the team most recalls.


Jeff of Earth-J said:

I have a box of comic books labeled “JLA Second Stringers” in which I keep such titles as Shadow War of Hawkman, the Red Tornado limited series, the Wonder Woman limited series by Trina Robbins, Booster Gold, Captain Atom, Mister Miracle, and other such '80s fare. A more appropriate title for this show would be “DC Second Stringers.”

I imagine we’ll see Hawkman back in another incarnation in another era, perhaps one in which “his” Shayera has been killed, or maybe their positions will be reversed and she'll have to convince him they are lovers.

Curiously, I'm basically done, except for maybe the guest-hero eps, but my wife remains interested.
 
Captain Comics said:

I'll keep watching, too -- but probably alone. I think my wife's done.

That seems likely, but if it's the same actor -- and you know it will be -- it will establish that not only are the Hawks reincarnated, they always look like Falk Hentschel and Ciara Renee. Which strains disbelief, because that would mean that A) they always reincarnate in primarily caucasian countries, and B) nobody noticed, took a picture, ran across two versions of them in one lifetime, etc., in a fairly limited geographical area. (Primarily Europe and northern Africa until the 15th century.)

Jeff of Earth-J said:

I have a box of comic books labeled “JLA Second Stringers” in which I keep such titles as Shadow War of Hawkman, the Red Tornado limited series, the Wonder Woman limited series by Trina Robbins, Booster Gold, Captain Atom, Mister Miracle, and other such '80s fare. A more appropriate title for this show would be “DC Second Stringers.”

I imagine we’ll see Hawkman back in another incarnation in another era, perhaps one in which “his” Shayera has been killed, or maybe their positions will be reversed and she'll have to convince him they are lovers.

Well, no one's gonna take a picture in the 15th century. I think without photographic evidence, there's much less suspicion about how they always look alike, especially considering they presumably age. There just aren't that many ways to check what you'd probably dismiss as a faulty memory or a coincidence.

True enough. But after the late 19th century onward, a picture is possible. And from mid-20th century, there's film.


Well, I'm splitting hairs. I'd just prefer they look different, is all, to open the ethnic and story possibilities. Limiting it to a white man and a black woman every generation leaves the bulk of Asia out of the equation, for example, until around Marco Polo, and that doesn't seem like smart storytelling. Not to mention South America and sub-Saharan Africa.

I definitely agree with your larger point:I think it's much more interesting -- and probably easier on the budget! -- to cast different actors for different time periods' Hawkfolk. The worry, of course, is that the present-day ones might be shown up, acting-wise...which doesn't seem too far-fetched a possibility. 



Rob Staeger (Grodd Mod) said:

I definitely agree with your larger point:I think it's much more interesting -- and probably easier on the budget! -- to cast different actors for different time periods' Hawkfolk. The worry, of course, is that the present-day ones might be shown up, acting-wise...which doesn't seem too far-fetched a possibility. 

That doesn't seem like a very high bar, does it?  photo whistling.gif

Maybe Legends of Tomorrow will do the Quantum Leap thing, where every body Sam Beckett leaped into was different -- male, female, even a chimpanzee (yes, really) -- but the viewer always saw him as Scott Bakula.



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Rob Staeger (Grodd Mod) said:

I definitely agree with your larger point:I think it's much more interesting -- and probably easier on the budget! -- to cast different actors for different time periods' Hawkfolk. The worry, of course, is that the present-day ones might be shown up, acting-wise...which doesn't seem too far-fetched a possibility. 

That doesn't seem like a very high bar, does it?  photo whistling.gif


Not one I'd wanna try to limbo under!

After watching the latest episode, where the mission went totally sideways and half the team got captured by the Russian Army, I started to wish they'd gone back to 1968 and picked up Jim Phelps and the Mission: Impossible crew to show them how it's done. 

Or.... just go back to the end of the time a couple months back when Teams Flash and Arrow and the Hawks basically defeated him, and ensure the job gets really done. No future dystopia, and minimal disruption to the timeline as far as the core team know it.

I've just caught up with Legends of Tomorrow again, and while I like the idea of what the show is trying to do, it still hasn't clicked with me. It's been getting better in certain respects -- the Russian two-parter was much more tense and interesting than the 1970s-set opener -- but the only character I really get a kick out of watching is Captain Cold (whom I wish could *actually* travel back in time and guest-star in the Adam West Batman TV show). I like Heat Wave and Ray, too -- the other characters range from "fine" to awful, with the Firestorm guys and Sara usually at the top of that metric, and wishy-washy exposition machine Hawkgirl and testy, useless scold Rip at the bottom. Rip really is the worst, and now that Carter is gone he's got no competition fro the title. 

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