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...Tony Stark's redemption is possible because he didn't back up his hard drive often enough? :D

If I'm reading this right, Tony's backup of his brain doesn't include any knowledge of the Civil War or any events following.  That's an innnn-teresing twist on the ol' mindwipe.  But will "I don't remember doing that" be enough of a reason for his friends, allies and others to forgive him?  It probably will be, but I'm not sure it should.  What say you?

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The whole thing should, really, bring Thor and Tony closer as the hubris and human damage he did as a result of being "above others" is what caused Odin to create Don Blake to teach his son humility.
I thought it was a stroke of genius, and quite frankly it was very logical byproduct of the way he resurrected himself. The "backup" of himself that Tony made would have HAD to come from before he exposed himself to extremis, so since he had the extremis upgrade since before the Civil War, there's no way any of the information would have be available to him for reloading.

I agree that there are some very interesting philosophical ramifications here. The extremis upgrade radically altered Tony in ways that went beyond the physical. It could very easily be argued that extremis-free Tony would not have acted the way he did when perceived the world in vastly different ways.

In other words, Extremis is Tony's Parallax.
Rich Lane said:
The "backup" of himself that Tony made would have HAD to come from before he exposed himself to extremis, so since he had the extremis upgrade since before the Civil War, there's no way any of the information would have be available to him for reloading.

Why would the backup have to have been pre-Extremis? (I'm not arguing, I'm just not following the story closely enough to know the answer...) It was my understanding that the Extremis is what made it possible for him to treat his brain like a giant computer in the first place. If he has the technology to "back up" any average person's brain...well, that has more far-reaching consequences than if it's something that was unique to him particularly.

Of course, I personally like the Extremis upgrade to Iron Man, and am sorry to see it go. But that's the way of things, I guess...
Alan M. said:
Why would the backup have to have been pre-Extremis? (I'm not arguing, I'm just not following the story closely enough to know the answer...) It was my understanding that the Extremis is what made it possible for him to treat his brain like a giant computer in the first place. If he has the technology to "back up" any average person's brain...well, that has more far-reaching consequences than if it's something that was unique to him particularly. Of course, I personally like the Extremis upgrade to Iron Man, and am sorry to see it go. But that's the way of things, I guess...

I say "had to" be pre-Extremis because in his video will that explained what he did, he said he made a backup in case the Extremis upgrade went wrong.

From Iron Man 21:

"If we think of our minds as our bodies' operating systems and Extremis was an upgrade, I did what any good geek would do before installing it. I backed myself up."

The implications were laid out right there, but I didn't pick up on them until they were spelled out at the end of the most recent issue.

Genius, I tells ya.
I agree with it being on the "genius" side of plot developments, especially in conjunction with Tony's spiritual rebirth during the "Stark: Disassembled" story. At the end of #24, Tony is clearly horrified by what his former self did. I think Avengers Prime could still be meaty and interesting as Tony asks himself if he would ever follow the same course of action again. It could also re-affirm the Tony Stark/Steve Rogers relationship to ensure that nothing like the Superhero Civil War will ever happen again. In other words, Tony and Steve go hash it out over a few non-alcoholic beverages rather than leading opposing armies into battle. In any case, nicely played Mr. Fraction. Can't wait to see where you take Tony from here and what you'll do with Thor in the near-future.
Rich Lane said:
In other words, Extremis is Tony's Parallax.

Yup, and I called it waaaay back in the previous forum. Before the Civil War had even begun, in Iron Man's own book, Nick Fury personally told Tony that the Extremis was changing Tony's personality.

And yes, Fraction's solution is neat and perfect. But I wonder how much time it will take before some writer forgets this development and has Iron Man mentioning things he did/experienced in the period between the personality backup and the reinstallation of the backup. For example, Tony shouldn't be able to recall anything he did in Secret Invasion or in the Avengers' battle with 'Naked Janet' Ultron. He shouldn't be able to remember T'challa and Ororo's wedding either.
Great to see you again, HammerHeart.
HammerHeart said:
Rich Lane said:
In other words, Extremis is Tony's Parallax.

Yup, and I called it waaaay back in the previous forum. Before the Civil War had even begun, in Iron Man's own book, Nick Fury personally told Tony that the Extremis was changing Tony's personality.

And yes, Fraction's solution is neat and perfect. But I wonder how much time it will take before some writer forgets this development and has Iron Man mentioning things he did/experienced in the period between the personality backup and the reinstallation of the backup. For example, Tony shouldn't be able to recall anything he did in Secret Invasion or in the Avengers' battle with 'Naked Janet' Ultron. He shouldn't be able to remember T'challa and Ororo's wedding either.

He may not remember it, but we've already seen him reading up on what "he" did since he created the back-up.
It so happened that I got a trade paperback collection of Invincible Iron Man issues #8-13 the other day from the library. I'm behind, I know -- as you all well know, "Civil War" didn't sit right with me -- so, I have to say, I find this development intriguing, and bold enough to work as the vehicle for Tony Stark's redemption. It just might bring me back to the title, because I've missed reading about Tony Stark the hero.

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