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It appears that the "big three" and others WERE brought in as necessary...and everyone DID get a scene in the new show...Bones, Spock, Scotty, Sulu... I only recall Ohura, Nurse Chapel, Yeoman Rand and Chekov being shut out....
Yes, I think actor's salaries had a lot to do with it. Plus Sulu's agent was insisting that he be given a captain's chair...and though that was promised in one of the later movies to get him to participate, the footage was left on the cutting room floor.
It wasn't until the LAST star trek movie featuring the crew and the klingons that they showed him actually in command. It was a condition of his contract, I have heard.
But I asked Walter at a recent mid-Ohio-Con if there was any chance of the ol'd crew coming back or doing anything, and he curtly said. "Not a Chance." I was disappointed, but he left absolutely no wiggle room in his terse answer.
I just watched (again) one of the best STAR TREKs EVER!!!!!
Wasn't there a fire at the Paramont back-lot which destroyed a lot of the standing/existing ST sets? I suspect that might have had a roll in it. Also, wasn't the ST6 movie supposed to be set in the future...and as a result, there were supposed to have been changes... advancements in design and appearance?
PS: Look at how poorly they show Sulu's captain's cabin, by only having a shaft of light fall across his face and pillow when he gets the news... cheap way to do it!
Naw, Checkov would have to be his navigator, so that he could scream when the power feedback comes up through the control modual.
I just can't see Checkov under Sulu....can you?
In response (at another board) to ST3 being "the worst" of the films...
I always thought ST3 was a great movie, in spite of the circumstances of its creation.
I mean, ST2 is a great movie, but imagine how things might have gone if Spock hadn't gotten needlessly killed (JUST because Leonard Nimoy wanted to leave-- and then, he changed his mind!).
We could have gotten a ST3 that stood on its own... and a ST4 that didn't tie in with the 2 previous films.
The most interesting criticism I found at the IMDB about ST3 was the one that strongly suggested chunks of the film had been edited together IN THE WRONG ORDER. If Spock's spirit was in McCoy, there was NO real need to retrieve his body, UNLESS they suspected he might somehow be alive. The entire sequence on the Genesis planet leading up to the report of the empty coffin was supposed to take place BEFORE The Enterprise reached Earth! Sarek's anger at Kirk for having left Spock behind was supposed to have been as a result of his having HEARD that report, before he went to visit Kirk. As it is, Kirk doesn't find out that Spock is alive UNTIL he's already in orbit and his ship's been disabled by The Klingons.
There's also a lot of dropped balls (so to speak), involving them never having stated that Saavik was half-Romulan, never revealing that David & Saavik were involved romantically, and so on. (Similarly, they never came out and said the young engineering cadet who was killed in ST2 was Scotty's nephew, and they never brought up in ST4 that Saavik was pregnant with Spock's child-- sheesh.)
Of course, another review at the IMDB got me thinking about something else with ST2 that always bothered me, but I tended to brush aside for the most part. "SPACE SEED", depending on who you ask, was NOT really the greatest or best-thought-thru story ever on the old show. In some ways, the MOST interesting part of it was the ending. Kirk gives Khan's people a chance to build a new world from scratch. What might they accomplish in a hundred year's time? We NEVER got to find out... as they tell us, 6 months later, the neighboring planet exploded, throwing their planet's orbit out of whack, destroying the biosphere... one wonders how they ever survived there for 15 YEARS. And why did no one ever check on them? No wonder they were pissed.
I think ST2 was just so good for what it was, compared to ST1, that most fans tend to overlook the fact that ST2 does have some very real flaws. It's just so much better to watch than the previous film, it gets the characters so "right", I think you come to love it in spite of itself. (Kinda like THE BIG SLEEP-- heh.)
Are you aware that the final released movie theatre version of ST2 (Wrath of Kahn) has several scenes shortened or trimmed out? In particular, the discussion in the briefing of what Genesis is has been shorted by several heated exchanges between Bones and Spock. Only a fragment of the arguement remains ("Why you green blooded, in humane..." "Really, Doctor, you should control your passions. They will be the death of you.") [ I take this to be foreshaddowing Spock's sacrifice, made of loyalty and passion, but excused as "Logical...the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."]
When ST2 was shown on network TV, these exchanges were restored, and the scene plays out a little bit longer. Other similar edits, including a appearance by trainee Peter Scott (Scotty's nephew) were restored, and the movie seemed a little bit richer for it... but the changes are not obvious.
As for Nimoy wanting out, it's my understanding that he only agreed to sign on for ST2, if he would be eliminated as a character in the future (dies)... but near the end of filming, realized that he was enjoying this friendlier, more correct version of Star Trek, and didn't want to end it. It was HIS idea to do the "remember" moment with Bones, with no idea what it might lead to. Also, the final shot of the torpedo tube/coffin in the glade was an after-thought, shot weeks after filming had completed... and notably, did not feature a lid, hinge or opening of any kind. It also was not made clear that Savak had adjusted the trajectory to allow a soft touchdown on the planet, instead of burining up in the atmosphere, as was intended.
So, I don't think it's right to lay whatever problems you may see in ST3 at Nimoy's feet for his decision to insert an ambiguous reference into the final scene of ST2. (Didn't he direct ST3? or was it 4? Shatner directed 5, didn't he?)
Leonard Nimoy directed Star Trek III and Star Trek IV.
What I found jarring was that there was the optimistic "I feel young" ending of ST2 and then the depressing "I left the better part of myself behind" beginning of ST3, which takes place directly after. Carol Marcus vanishes and McCoy takes the Vulcan Crazy Train but at least Scotty got over his nephew quickly!
And (apparently) no one in Starfleet knows about Vulcan death rituals. Must be bad for any Vulcan serving. I guess Spock did not leave instructions in case of his demise which is highly illogical. Even odder is that Sarek nearly died during "Journey To Babel" far away from Vulcan and his wife and son weren't concerned about his katra.
There was a great scene in a comic that takes place after ST3 where Amanda is shocked and horrified to finally learn that "ALIENS STOLE SPOCK'S BRAIN!!"
If I could recommend an old Star Trek novel, try to dig up The Vulcan Academy Murders which is a great mystery and a great character study of Kirk, Spock and especially Sarek.
The Vulcan Academy Murders, eh?
I'm going to go look that one up right now. Sounds good...
The thing that never fails to tickle me is that for a race that prides itself on pure logic, the Vulcan religion is based entirely on mysticism. The Vulcans having a religion in the first place is interesting since religion depends on faith, which has nothing to do with logic.
I just can't see Checkov under Sulu....can you?
Ummmm.....
Bad Baron! Bad!
The Baron said:
I just can't see Checkov under Sulu....can you?
Ummmm.....