Today I was SO worn out, I did something I can hardly believe...  With very few exceptions, I have not watched STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION since it was first-run (24 YEARS ago).  So far today, I have just watched the first 14 episodes in a row!!!
 
    You know what's funny?  The show is actually fun to watch in a sort-of tacky way.  Some of the character quirks are amusing, before they became really annoying.  And I'm reminded of some of the early relationship dynamics, which, it seems to me, got totally screwed over the longer the show was on the air.
 
    Like-- it's obvious Picard & Beverly are attracted to each other.  WHY did they spend most of the run not having this go anywhere?  Then there's Will Riker & Deanna Troi, who the moment they meet are like a really bad, awkward retread of Will Decker & Ilia.  They're so stiff at first it's unbelieveable.  I think all the acting got 10 times better after the 2-hour pilot.  Anyway, the story that introduces Lwaxana was a hoot, and also showed that, despite whatever the hell the problem is, Will & Deanna do somehow care for each other deeply.  So... WHY didn't it EVER go anywhere (until the 2nd feature film?).  Both Wesley & Data are far less annoying here than they later became.
 
    Strange but true:  while I saw the show from the first episode (and taped every single one of them), my Mom never saw it until somewhere in the 3rd or 4th season.  And when she did, she got HOOKED, big-time.  She started watching it every time it was on.  Since they got to running the stories twice a week, that means, while I saw each story ONCE, she saw each one FOUR TIMES!!!
 
    At some point, she got around to seeing reruns of the 1st season.  I always remember walking thru the dining room, where she spent most of her time sitting watching the small tv on the table, and noting she was watching the 2-hour pilot.  And she looked at me and says, "This is the DUMBEST story I've ever seen!"  That's after having seen dozens (maybe a hundred or more) later ones.
 
    I've noted I have a lot more tolerance for "bad" films when I can't sleep, and that may account for my being able to sit thru so much of this today.
 
    It's a shame that my favorite woman on the show's 1st season, Tasha, got killed off suddenly when Denise Crosby announced she wanted to quit the show.  She may not have been my favorite kind of woman as far as face or personality, but I have a feeling I might have gotten along with her.  By the episode "Angel One", she seemed to be loosening up a lot.  I can't understand the complaint about her "not having enough to do".  Her movie career sure didn't take off...  (Doesn't that seem to be a running thing in the 80's and beyond?  People quitting successful shows and then regretting it?)
 
    A few times early-on, I found myself thinking how this might have gone if Paramount hadn't been so cheap.  After the tremendous success of STAR TREK IV, the push was on to finally do a new tv series.  But because the actors' salaries kept getting bigger and bigger by then, the decision was made, purely monetary, to do an entirely new series, with CHEAPER actors.
 
    What stands out is the thought that the "cruise ship" version of the Enterprise was said to be a brand-new ship fresh out of dry dock (just like at the end of ST4).  And the "battle bridge" seen in Ep.1 was clearly the bridge from the movies.
 
    I liked how about 10 episodes in, you finally saw a rectangular hallway (like on the old show).  Those octogonal vertical halls from the movies get on my nerves.

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I'm not aware of everything Star Trek has said about Vulcan mysticism, but the idea that the Vulcans have a mystical tradition rings true to me. Mysticism is about obtaining direct experience or perception of transcendant realities or the true nature of things. It needn't be the case that the Vulcan's mystical tradition is theistic; not all forms of mysticism are.

I am filled with shame.

Travis Herrick said:

Bad Baron! Bad!

The Baron said:

I just can't see Checkov under Sulu....can you?

 

Ummmm.....

Briefly…

The paperback adaptations of the films flesh out many scenes left out of the films.

The decision to substitute Valeris for Saavik severely lessened the impact of VI, as did the decision not to reveal Saavik’s pregnancy in IV (when she went to stand with Amanda as The Bounty departed Vulcan).

I had to interpret that “one of his ancestors” line to mean Arthur Conan Doyle rather than Sherlock Holmes. (If ACD died childless, please don’t tell me.)

My least favorite film was IV (the one known to non-Trekkies as “the one with the whales”).

I always wondered why they went to went to retrieve Spock’s body from the Genesis planet in the first place…

I thought you were filled with ham.

The Baron said:

I am filled with shame.

Travis Herrick said:

Bad Baron! Bad!

The Baron said:

I just can't see Checkov under Sulu....can you?

 

Ummmm.....

"My lower intestine is full of Spam..."

Just posted at the GoldenAgeComics site...

 

 

Saturday mornings in the 70's were a wasteland. The censors had a field day, and totally gutted it of anything fun, exciting, etc. It's a miracle anything watchable got on the air at all. This is something you have to remember when looking at the STAR TREK cartoons. Believe it or not-- at the time-- it was, by a wide margin, the BEST damn thing on!!!  And, it actually did manage to capture the look and feel of the original show, between the writing, the actors, the design of the ship (something the Gold Key comics never bothered with), and even getting some real science-fiction writers involved (something that was few and far between in the 3rd season, and virtually non-existent on ST:TNG).

But you also have to realize it was Filmation. The same company that did ARCHIE, and JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH. Try watching that show, and you'll see that by comparison, on every level, STAR TREK was a real masterpiece. I believe ST was the first Filmation show to make extensive use of rotoscoping (for the Enterprise). This was continued and expanded with some of their later shows, like BATMAN, TARZAN, and FLASH GORDON.  (The FLASH GORDON cartoon feature film was probably the greatest piece of work ever achieved by the studio; not only did it have extensive rotoscoping, and it took its subject matter seriously, it also had ALMOST no reuse of animation from start to finish.)

Some of the episodes were disappointing, but I feel in general they had better stories than most of the 3rd season. For a ST fan almost from the word go, it was a real treasure. My biggest disappointment was that they only did 16 episodes the 1st year-- and then, only 6 the 2nd.  (6 !!! Cheap B******s!!!)  Did studios and networks really think kids were happy to just keep watching the same few stories over and over and over??

Regarding the budget... I understand they originally only wanted to spring for Shatner, Nimoy & Kelley. I believe Nimoy told them he wouldn't do the show unless they got the rest of the cast.  They agreed, but fell short by ONE actor... Walter Koenig. To make it up to him, they wound up filming a story he wrote.

I was also a bit disappointed (and baffled) by the music. WHY change the theme song? And why not use ANY of the original music? I only recently learned that Ray Ellis did the score (he did the classic jazz music on the 1st season of SPIDER-MAN / 1967). Seems to me it should have been relatively inexpensive to reuse existing music from the original 3 seasons-- and there was so much of it.  Instead, we got NEW music, but not that much, and what we did get was reused over and over for all 22 episodes.

Maybe they had trouble getting the rights to the music - I was listening to one of the commentary tracks for the McGann Doctor Who telemovie last night and they said they had to pay extra to use the Grainer theme.

I was listening to something the other day that made the point that viewers often don't catch every episode of a show. It follows when a show is repeated, there are usually "new" episodes to catch.

I was wondering when someone was going to pick up on that...  I wrote it carefully that way and have been astounded that no one went there.

Thank you, Baron, for confirming my faith in fandom...

The Baron said:

I just can't see Checkov under Sulu....can you?

 

Ummmm.....

The Baron said:

Maybe they had trouble getting the rights to the music - I was listening to one of the commentary tracks for the McGann Doctor Who telemovie last night and they said they had to pay extra to use the Grainer theme.

 

Maybe they had no trouble getting the rights to the music, but didn't want to spend what it cost to get those rights. This is a Saturday morning animated TV show we're talking about; everything about those things was done on the cheap.

Henry R. Kujawa said:

Some of the episodes were disappointing, but I feel in general they had better stories than most of the 3rd season. For a ST fan almost from the word go, it was a real treasure. My biggest disappointment was that they only did 16 episodes the 1st year-- and then, only 6 the 2nd.  (6 !!! Cheap B******s!!!)  Did studios and networks really think kids were happy to just keep watching the same few stories over and over and over??

Saturday morning animated shows don't and never did operate in the same manner as prime-time TV; it was quite common to produce only relatively few episodes and rerun them multiple times. For example, I was surprised to learn there was only ONE season of The Jetsons way back when.

I remember FAT ALBERT had 1 season (was it 13 episodes??).  They ran the same cartoons endlessly for 3 whole years.  Then, the 4th year, they did some new ones!  How did that happen?

 

I guess SCOOBY-DOO is a rarity.  They did 2 full seasons, then, the 3rd year, nothing but reruns.  The 4th season was the first time (or many) when they drastically revampred the format, with THE NEW SCOOBY-DOO MOVIES.  Each one a full hour, and with celebrity guest-star team-ups. Still of all the various incarnations, only the original 2 seasons of SCOOBY-DOO, WHERE ARE YOU? I feel are worth re-watching. (Although, I did love the 2 live-action films! Fred & Daphne were not quite "right", but the casting of Shaggy & Velma was perfection!)

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