It begins.
Next month, DC Comics will split in two. When "Absolute Power" comes to an end -- and we have a thread on that HERE -- something happens that creates, for lack of a better term, a new Earth-2. This new parallel universe will be published in DC's new "Absolute" line (not to be confused with their upscale reprints of the same name). Meanwhile, the "regular" universe is being described as having a, cough, rebirth of sorts, titled "All In." DC describes this as "a line-wide initiative combining an exciting, reimagined universe of DC’s Super Heroes and an ongoing line of core titles, featuring bold new directions for DC’s mainstay Super Heroes."
I am getting lots of info. Too much to just hang onto until October! It seems a shame not to share it. And then: Discussion! We bring to bear the Legion of Superfluous Heroes joint super-power of talking something to death! It will be awesome!
First, here's the information I have so far:
DC ALL IN SPECIAL #1
Written by SCOTT SNYDER and JOSHUA WILLIAMSON
Art by DANIEL SAMPERE and WES CRAIG
Cover by DANIEL SAMPERE
Variant covers by WES CRAIG and RAFA SANDOVAL
1:25 variant cover by JOHN GIANG
Foil variant cover by DANIEL SAMPERE
$4.99 US | 64 pages | Variants $5.99 US (card stock) | Foil variant $7.99
ON SALE 10/2/24
As Absolute Power ends (issue #4 on sale Oct. 2), DC’s All In initiative begins with a single-issue mega-event, presented as a startling, symmetrical flipbook!
Following the events of DC’s blockbuster storyline Absolute Power, the heroes of the core DC Universe have fought against the deep divisions in the world around them to usher in a new era of unity. And it’s just in time, too—because Darkseid has returned. Superman must gather every hero on Earth to hold the line against a very different version of the Lord of Apokolips, as they raise our cosmic defenses and prepare for war…and when the first blows land, the shock waves will ripple into every series in the DCU and shake the nature of their reality to its core!
But little do they know…the greater threat is still to come. For there is another Earth: the Absolute Universe. Here, DC’s biggest icons are coming of age with fewer advantages and facing greater opposition than ever before…while miraculously retaining the immutable heroism that has inspired fans for decades. But can they really protect the light that shines inside them when the world in which they live is hurtling toward a terrible destiny?
Co-written by Scott Snyder (Absolute Batman) and Joshua Williamson (Superman), the flipbook DC All In Special #1 features art by Wonder Woman artist Daniel Sampere when read in one direction and Deadly Class co-creator and series artist Wes Craig when read in the other direction. The 64-page one-shot features a main cover by Sampere, with variant covers by Rafa Sandoval, Wes Craig, and John Giang.
“The creation of the Absolute Universe is how I always imagined coming back to DC, and DC All In will be a great jumping-on point for new readers as well as lapsed fans to discover new stories to love and the chance to explore the new directions in store for DC’s core series lineup,” says Snyder.
ABSOLUTE BATMAN #1
by Nick Dragotta and Frank Martin
by Jim Lee, Scott Williams and Alex Sinclair
by Mitch Gerads
by Wes Craig and Mike Spicer
byIan Bertram
Written by SCOTT SNYDER
Art and cover by NICK DRAGOTTA
Variant covers by WES CRAIG, JIM LEE, and MITCH GERADS
1:25 variant cover by IAN BERTRAM
1:50 variant cover by MITCH GERADS
1:100 black and white variant cover by JIM LEE
Foil design variant
$4.99 US | 48 pages
Variants $5.99 US (card stock) | Foil variant $7.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 10/9/24
Without the mansion…without the money…without the butler…what’s left is the Absolute Dark Knight!
Scott Snyder and Nick Dragotta introduce fans to a new Batman with the release of Absolute Batman #1. In this iteration, fans will be introduced to a version of the Dark Knight that doesn’t have the money, mansion, or butler of his core-line counterpart. Readers will quickly find out what makes this the “Absolute” version of Batman when the debut issue, with colors by Frank Martin and letters by Clayton Cowles, arrives at participating comic book shops and digital retailers Wednesday, October 9. Absolute Batman #1 will publish with a main cover by Nick Dragotta and Frank Martin, plus variant covers by Wes Craig and Mike Spicer, Jim Lee, Scott Williams and Alex Sinclair, Mitch Gerads, and Ian Bertram (1:25).
Snyder launches this new universe with the release of Absolute Batman #1, featuring art by Nick Dragotta. In this iteration, fans will be introduced to a version of the Dark Knight that doesn’t have the money, mansion, or butler of his core-line counterpart. Readers will quickly find out what makes this the “Absolute” version of Batman when the debut issue arrives at participating comic book shops and digital retailers Wednesday, October 9.
ABSOLUTE WONDER WOMAN #1
by Hayden Sherman and Jordie Bellaire
by Jim Lee, Scott Williams and Alex Sinclair
by Jeff Dekal
by Wes Craig and Mike Spicer
by Dan Panosian
Written by KELLY THOMPSON
Art and cover by HAYDEN SHERMAN
Variant covers by WES CRAIG, JIM LEE, and JEFF DEKAL
1:25 variant cover by DAN PANOSIAN
1:50 variant cover by JEFF DEKAL
1:100 black and white cover by JIM LEE
Foil design variant
$4.99 US | 48 pages
Variants $5.99 US (card stock) | Foil variant $7.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 10/23/24
Without the island paradise…without the sisterhood that shaped her…without a mission of peace…what’s left is the Absolute Amazon!
For Diana, there is no island paradise, no sisterhood to shape her, nor a mission of peace—so what is the purpose of an Amazon warrior in this new universe? Eisner Award-winning writer Kelly Thompson and breakout artist Hayden Sherman reinvent her from the ground up in Absolute Wonder Woman #1, with colors by Jordie Bellaire and letters by Becca Carey, on sale Wednesday, October 23. Absolute Wonder Woman #1 will publish with a main cover by Hayden Sherman and Jordie Bellaire, plus variant covers by Wes Craig and Mike Spicer, Jim Lee, Scott Williams and Alex Sinclair, Jeff Dekal, and Dan Panosian (1:25).
For Diana, there is no island paradise, no sisterhood to shape her, nor a mission of peace—so what is the purpose of an Amazon warrior in this new universe? Eisner Award-winning writer Kelly Thompson and breakout artist Hayden Sherman reinvent her from the ground up in Absolute Wonder Woman #1, on sale October 23.
ABSOLUTE SUPERMAN #1
by Rafa Sandoval and Ulises Arreola
by Jim Lee, Scott Williams and Alex Sinclair
by Matteo Scalera
by Wes Craig and Mike Spicer
Written By JASON AARON
Art and cover by RAFA SANDOVAL
Variant covers by WES CRAIG, JIM LEE, and CLAYTON CRAIN
1:25 cover by MATTEO SCALERA
1:50 cover by CLAYTON CRAIN
1:100 black and white cover by JIM LEE
Foil design variant
$4.99 US | 48 pages
Variants $5.99 US (card stock) | Foil variant $7.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 11/6/24
Without the fortress…without the family…without a home…what’s left is the Absolute Man of Steel!
Writer Jason Aaron and artist Rafa Sandoval join forces to present a new Man of Steel with the launch of Absolute Superman #1. This Superman has no family, no Fortress of Solitude, and no home. Will he still stand for truth and justice in this new universe? Readers can find out when Absolute Superman #1, with colors by Ulises Arreola and letters by Becca Carey, hits participating comic book shops on Wednesday, November 6. Absolute Superman #1 will publish with a main cover by Rafa Sandoval and Ulises Arreola, plus variant covers by Wes Craig and Mike Spicer, Jim Lee, Scott Williams and Alex Sinclair, Clayton Crain, and Matteo Scalera (1:25).
Writer Jason Aaron and artist Rafa Sandoval join forces to present a new Man of Steel with the launch of Absolute Superman #1. This Superman has no family, no Fortress of Solitude, and no home. Will he still stand for truth, justice, and a better tomorrow in this new universe? Readers can find out when Absolute Superman #1 hits participating comic book shops November 6.
All three launch issues will also have a “foil design variant” featuring the new crests for each of DC’s new Absolute Trinity. Look for these at your local comic book store when Absolute Batman #1 publishes on October 9, when Absolute Wonder Woman #1 publishes on October 23, and when Absolute Superman #1 publishes on November 6.
Here are the "All In" titles that DC has identified so far:
BATMAN #153
Written by CHIP ZDARSKY
Art by JORGE JIMÉNEZ
Cover by JORGE JIMÉNEZ
Variant covers by TONY HARRIS & JEREMY CLARK and DAVID NAKAYAMA
1:25 cover by MARCO MASTRAZZO
1:50 variant cover by WALTER SIMONSON
Trick or Treat variant cover by KELLEY JONES
All In foil variant by DANIEL SAMPERE ($7.99)
$4.99 US | 40 pages | Variant $5.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 10/2/24
Batman is back with a vengeance and Bruce Wayne’s new public initiatives have Gotham on the verge of finally becoming a great city! Does that bright future include the Riddler, who’s seemingly gone legit? Or the new, unnerving hero, Commander Star? And can Gotham survive the shocking murder of one of its greatest citizens?
The Dying City starts here with a case that only Batman can solve, but the answers may unravel his world and all of Gotham!
BATMAN #154
Written by CHIP ZDARSKY
Art by CARMINE Di GIANDOMENICO
Cover by JORGE JIMÉNEZ
Variant cover by TONY HARRIS & JEREMY CLARK and GABRIELE DELL’OTTO
1:25 variant cover by NICOLA SCOTT
1:50 variant cover by JAMES HARREN
$4.99 US | 40 pages | Variant $5.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 10/16/24
Murder has rocked the heart of Gotham! Batman and Jim Gordon will have to piece together the clues and discover the truth, no matter how dark. Has the Riddler really gone legit? Is the Court of Owls involved? Meanwhile, public sentiment is turning against Wayne Enterprises’ public initiatives, with new hero Commander Star sowing the seeds of discontent.
SUPERMAN #19
Written by JOSHUA WILLIAMSON
Art and cover by DAN MORA
Variant covers by SIMONE DI MEO, CARLA COHEN, and CHRIS SAMNEE
1:25 variant cover by BEN OLIVER
Trick or Treat variant cover by KELLEY JONES
All In foil variant by DANIEL SAMPERE ($7.99)
$4.99 US | 32 pages | Variant $5.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 10/23/24
THE MANY DEATHS OF DOOMSDAY!
Superman and Superwoman must deal with the return of the rampaging Doomsday and…wait…Superwoman?! After the events of Absolute Power, Lois Lane has new powers…but how long can they last?! And waiting in the shadows is one of Superman’s greatest enemies…the Time Trapper.
Jump on to a new exciting story arc that will shape the future of Superman!
WONDER WOMAN #14
Written by TOM KING
Art by DANIEL SAMPERE
Cover by DANIEL SAMPERE
Variant covers by DANIEL SAMPERE and DAVID NAKAYAMA
1:25 variant cover by STEVAN SUBIC
Trick or Treat variant cover by KELLEY JONES
All In foil variant by DANIEL SAMPERE ($7.99)
$4.99 US | 40 pages | Variant $5.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 10/16/24
With the tide of the war against the Sovereign turning, Wonder Woman’s greatest love takes matters into his own hands with deadly consequences. Could Steve’s end be the beginning of Diana’s greatest adventure yet? Behold the birth of Trinity!
ACTION COMICS #1070
Written by MARK WAID and MARIKO TAMAKI
Art by CLAYTON HENRY and SKYLAR PATRIDGE
Cover by CLAYTON HENRY
Variant covers by WES CRAIG, EDDY BARROWS, and DANNY MIKI
1:25 variant cover by MARK SPEARS
All In foil variant by DANIEL SAMPERE ($7.99)
$4.99 US | 40 pages | Variant $5.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 10/9/24
An otherworldly horror, tearing its way through Metropolis, has emerged from the Phantom Zone. Something’s wrong in the Zone—something terrible—and Superman must enter alone to find out what! From the pages of Absolute Power and Batman/Superman: World’s Finest comes a new Action epic unlike any you’ve seen before from the visionary creative team of Mark Waid and Clayton Henry!
Plus, the Woman of Tomorrow is here today! Supergirl Special’s Mariko Tamaki and Skylar Patridge return to bring Kara to the farthest reaches of space in pursuit of a mysterious threat only she can handle.
ACTION COMICS #1071
Written by MARK WAID and MARIKO TAMAKI
Art by CLAYTON HENRY, MICHAEL SHELFER, and SKYLAR PATRIDGE
Cover by CLAYTON HENRY
Variant covers by WES CRAIG and STEVAN SUBIC
1:25 variant cover by MARK SPEARS
$4.99 US | 40 pages | Variant $5.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 10/16/24
Trapped in the Phantom Zone!
Investigating the ethereal prison created by his father, Superman finds himself helpless before the dreaded Phantom King. But what surprise reveal is in store for him? A clue lies in Superman’s teenage years!
Plus, Supergirl finds herself on trial as she comes face-to-face with the judge of the United Planets’ highest court!
ACTION COMICS #1072
Written by MARK WAID and MARIKO TAMAKI
Art by CLAYTON HENRY, MICHAEL SHELFER, and SKYLAR PATRIDGE
Cover by CLAYTON HENRY
Variant covers by WES CRAIG and IBRAHIM MOUSTAFA
1:25 variant cover by MARK SPEARS
$4.99 US | 40 pages | Variant $5.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 10/23/24
The secret history of one of Superman’s oldest friends, Mon-El, is revealed…and his deadly connection to Xa-Du, the Phantom King, leaves Superman speechless! The Man of Steel’s mission into the corrupt heart of the Zone continues in the most shocking installment yet of the Action Comics weekly as the grand villain behind its peril stands poised to strike!
Plus, Supergirl finds herself in pursuit of an assassin seeking justice of their own!
ACTION COMICS #1073
Written by MARK WAID and MARIKO TAMAKI
Art by CLAYTON HENRY, MICHAEL SHELFER, and SKYLAR PATRIDGE
Cover by CLAYTON HENRY
Variant covers by WES CRAIG and IBRAHIM MOUSTAFA
1:25 variant cover by MARK SPEARS
$4.99 US | 40 pages | Variant $5.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 10/30/24
It’s a race against time for Superman and Mon-El to prevent the lethal forces of Xa-Du and Aethyr from converging! But to save the present, the Man of Steel is forced to face the past! It’s the dramatic return of Krypton’s last son to his homeworld as the Man of Tomorrow voyages to the City of Yesterday!
Plus, Kara meets the being at the center of her quest! What could they have done to cause the whole universe to unite against them? Find out in the next thrilling chapter of Supergirl!
DETECTIVE COMICS #1090
Written by TOM TAYLOR
Art and cover by MIKEL JANÍN
Variant covers by DAN PANOSIAN, BRUNO REDONDO, and TONY HARRIS
1:25 variant cover by ASHLEY WOOD
All In foil variant by DANIEL SAMPERE ($7.99)
$4.99 US | 40 pages | Variant $5.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 10/23/24
Long ago, the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne changed Gotham forever. But there is something you never knew about the Dark Knight’s tragic origin, which has been lying in wait to strike at Batman ever since that fateful night in Crime Alley. And now, all these years later, this ghost of Gotham’s past begins to reveal itself.
Superstars Tom Taylor and Mikel Janín team up to bring you a Batman tale that will rattle the very foundations of the Dark Knight. Things may never be the same again.
GREEN ARROW #350
Written by JOSHUA WILLIAMSON and CHRIS CONDON
Art by AMANCAY NAHUELPAN and MONTOS
Cover by TAURIN CLARKE
Variant covers by SEAN IZAAKSE and CLIFF CHANG
Black sketch variant cover
All In foil variant by DANIEL SAMPERE ($7.99)
$4.99 US | 40 pages | Variant $5.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 10/23/24
This oversize anniversary issue features legacy numbering as writer Joshua Williamson closes out his acclaimed run on DC’s Emerald Archer. Oliver Queen faces the aftermath of his actions in Absolute Power, having done the unthinkable to protect his loved ones, and the ramifications of his involvement may have gone too far for his family and friends to forgive. This can’t-miss issue also debuts the opening chapter of Green Arrow’s next adventure, from the new creative team of writer Chris Condon (The Enfield Gang Massacre, That Texas Blood) and artist Montos (Green Lantern: War Journal).
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Crisis on Infinite Earths alienated a lot of older fans at the time, but it took me a quarter of a century (until Flashpoint) to understand why. I still don't think that CoIE was a drastic as Flashpoint, but I do get it... now. With CoIE, Superman and Batman were given new origin stories, but those stories were set in the past; their histories remained ostensibly intact, at least that's what we were told. That remained true, for a while, but little by little, but by bit, new stories appeared which invalidated many pre-Crisis stories one at a time. Wonder Woman's backstory was wiped out in one swell foop, which affected the Justice League's backstory as well (although I personally was satisfied with the substitution of Black Canery for Wonder Woman). The Legion of Super-Heroes was arguably simillarly affected (by the retroactive disposal of Superboy), although I personally think the "pocket universe" Superboy made those Silver Age LSH stories stronger.
There was none of that with Flashpoint, however; the matter was not open to interpretation. Not only certain characters, but the entire DC Universe I had followed most of my life was then gone, and I felt no attachment whatsoever to the "New 52."
13 years later, I find the situation has changed. I have missed the DC characters I grew up with this past decade plus, and I find myself looking forward to this new "Absolute" universe.
I have a different interpretation of post-COIE comics than you do, Jeff, probably because COIE impacted my collection much, much harder than yours. I had a massive DC collection that stretched back from 1986 to roughly 1963 on most titles, and most of those were invalidated by COIE. Worse, the new DCU was a confusing mess -- Hawkman had become an unusable character due to unfixable contradictions in his continuity; Wonder Woman didn't exist, so most JLA stories didn't either; the Legion of Super-Heroes stories were all contrived by their worst enemy, Time Trapper (boy, what dummies!), and their very reason to exist had been expunged; my beloved JLA/JSA team-ups had never happened, and so forth.
But this was "the new way, brother," as they said in Clockwork Orange, and I tried to embrace it. To learn this new continuity as I had learned the old. To face the future, instead of longing for the past. No stick-in-the-mud me, at the wise old age of 28! I would become an expert on this new DCU, as I had been on the old!
Then, to my consternation, all the things they said they were trying to get rid of starting coming back. Silly Mr. Mxyzptlk, Bottle City of Kandor (and an inferior version), Supergirl (with a confusing backstory), Krypto, and on and on. Eventually, we got another Earth-2 and a multiverse. Meanwhile, they rebooted the DCU again in Zero Hour, not even sticking to what they had created in 1987 that was presumably better than what had gone before. (And killing off the JSA, which they had gone to such great lengths to bring to Earth-1.) What was the bloody point? The originals were usually superior (or at least easier to explain) than the retreads, and DC's history has been a Gordian knot ever since. And DC's history has gone through so many changes now that I no longer even try to keep up. I take each new story on face value, because continuity really has become a burden now -- if you're the sort who remembers it.
At the time I grudgingly accepted the post-COIE versions of characters I used to love (since I had no other choice), but I have never accepted DC's official rationale for it, and still think it's the dumbest thing a comic book publisher has ever done. Yes, moreso than Flashpoint. What did Flashpoint do, except reboot characters that had only existed since the last reboot? The originals were long gone, killed by COIE.
Flashpoint killed your childhood DC characters and sullied their memories, Jeff, and you take that sort of personally. I fully understand, because COIE did that for me. I have never accepted DC's post-1986 characters as anything but This Year's Model, and don't really care when they get erased in the latest reboot.
I get that, I do, and you are absolutely correct that Crisis didn't affect my collection as much as yours. But (and here's where "horseraces" come in), I think most of the JLA stories, including the JSA team-ups, did still happen in some fashion, just perhaps not as they were presented pre-Crisis. (Justice League of America #9 vs. Secret Origins #32, for example.)
Similarly, the JLA/JSA team-ups still "happened" (at least on Earth-J), except instead of getting together from different Earths, it was different cities.
I suppose it's a moot point now, however.
As I've said before, I handled the Post-Crisis Superman by referring to him as "Superman III", Post Zero Hour/Morrison's JLA as "Superman IV: the Quest for Peace", New 52 "Superman V" , Rebirth "Suprman VI" etc., etc.!
It's easier for Superman and Wonder Woman (whose Post-Crisis iteration was a brand-new character) than Batman or Green Arrow but you can see the natural splits.
I don't mean to turn this into a "Why Crisis on Infinite Earths is better than Flashpoint" discussion, but we've got to talk about something until All In/Absolute hits the stands, so let's look at the difference in attitude of DC Comics in 1986 (post-Crisis), 2005 (Infinite Crisis), 2011 (Flashpoint) and 2016 (Rebirth).
As always, dissenting opinions are not only welcome, but encouraged.
For the main Superman books, ok.
Zero Hour did not touch Superman's books nor numbering (IIRC), but it was a significant reboot for some books, particularly the Legion of Super-Heroes. It also changed the past of otherwise untouched books retroactively. But it does not seem to have changed numbering, other than inserting a "#0" issue in most series. Lots of new series with #1s launched on its wake, but that is par of course for most events.
Cap wrote:
Flashpoint killed your childhood DC characters and sullied their memories, Jeff, and you take that sort of personally. I fully understand, because COIE did that for me. I have never accepted DC's post-1986 characters as anything but This Year's Model, and don't really care when they get erased in the latest reboot.
This got me to wondering? Do you still consider the Marvel characters the original heroes you followed as a kid? It seems to me that, picking up any one of their comics, they've changed about as much as the DC heroes, but without a massive point of inflection where those changes happened. The Robert Downey Jr. portrayal changed every depiction of Iron Man going forward; the Hulk has multiple personality disorder; Daredevil is a ninja; Ben Grimm is a happy, well-adjusted father of two. Some of these changes happened in the 80s, others more recently. Eventually, all characters get reconfigured to meet the times.
So: Do reboots matter? Changes will come to characters, whether the universe reboots or not; some changes will be right for the times, and others won't. Some characters will be right for the times, and others will pass away.
I think about the run of Barry Allen stories we got after Rebirth. Barry was my first Flash, my favorite Flash. He'd be brought back in Final Crisis and Flash: Rebirth, and the New 52 aged him down (like it did everyone). But when Josh Williamson started writing the Rebirth series, I thought, finally! It'll be more stories of, basically, the Barry Allen I remember. And yet he wasn't, really. Barry was younger, and still learning a lot. He was emotionally insecure, and just finding his footing in his relationship with Iris. He fit the TV show, and his stories were right for that time. But he had so much to learn, he felt like Wally.
And I think he'd feel that way, even if COIE never happened. He'd probably still have died, and Wally would have taken over. He'd probably have come back in a younger model when DC started pitching a TV show, since forensics is a proven commodity on the small screen. We'd largely get the same Barry Allen stories we got, ones with his name on the title, but strangely unsatisfying for old-time fans.
Crises or not, I think we can't go home again. All reboots do is mark the calendar for the day we left.
Do you still consider the Marvel characters the original heroes you followed as a kid?
Is that directed at Cap? Or anyone? Nevermind... I'll answer.
No, I do not. The difference between Marvel and DC (well, one of the differences) is the DC has provided multiple official "reboot" opportunities over the years and Marvel has not. There are many (many) unofficial reboot opportunities, however. If I had to pin one down as "Marvel's 'Crisis'" I think I'd pick "Heroes Reborn/Return." My current philosophy (which I came to only after multiple reboots and "new number ones") is that any time a series is restarted a new, perhaps-only-slighty different universe is created.
What Jeff said.
BUt also, Marvel's characters have changed a lot since the Silver Age. Just like me. And in both cases the changes were organic, as we adjusted to the passing of time (and in my case, aged). But today's Hulk is technically the same character as the Silver Age Hulk, whereas today's Superman is not. Today's Hulk remembers his '60s adventures, whereas today's Superman does not. Hulk's Silver Age comics still "count," whereas Superman's have been erased. We're still on Hulk version 1.0, but we're on Superman version, what, 6.0? At least technically, as there have been no hard stops and do-overs for Marvel's characters, as there have been for DC's characters.
I'm not going to dive into "Heroes Reborn," "One More Day" and Hulk magazine here, for brevity's sake. (Although it's worth noting that I don't consider the post-marriage Peter Parker to be the same guy as the '60s version, which is why I don't read Spider-books any more.) But by and large, I don't have much more to say.
Instead, I'm going to re-threadjack and talk about November's solicitations for All In/Absolute.
Coming to this
late (what else is new), I follow the out DC gave us all a long time ago: Hypertime.
I may be alone in this, but I refuse to believe that any given comics universe is gone, dead, destroyed and ain't never coming back not never no way no how. In my view, they may no longer be showing us stories about those characters in those realms, but that doesn't mean they're gone. I enjoyed those stories when I read them (not all of them, but more of them than not), and they all count to me.
So, Hypertime. It totally works for me.
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