Deck Log Entry # 102 So, You Want to Join the Avengers . . . .

If you were a costumed do-gooder in the Silver Age and you wanted to join an elite team of super-heroes, you stood a much better chance in the Marvel universe than in DC land.

As I talked about last time out, DC’s premier Silver-Age super-team, the Justice League of America, was a pretty snobby bunch. It elected only one new member a year, and to even be considered, you had to have a proven track record as a super-hero. There was no nepotism, no legacies, no special considerations for being a buddy of one of the current JLAers. If you don’t believe me, just ask Hawkgirl.

And you had to have the real-world fortune of having your magazine be a top seller, because JLA editor Julius Schwartz only chose DC’s most popular heroes for inclusion in the League, on the theory that fan-favourites would draw the most new readers to JLA.

That was initially Stan Lee’s thinking too, when he put together Marvel’s analogue to the Justice League---the Avengers. As I discussed back in Deck Log Entry # 85, Lee selected his most popular characters as the charter members for the Avengers. Well, almost. Spider-Man was Marvel’s biggest single-hero hit series, but Stan was canny enough to realise that Web-head wasn’t a team player. One of the essential elements that made Spidey so popular with his fans was his sense of disenfranchisement. Putting him in the Avengers would undermine that image.

The heroes that Stan did select for his new team were the most popular almost by default, since he didn’t have that many super-heroes in his stable to begin with. Iron Man and Thor, no problem. Their sales were strong enough. But with Spider-Man out of consideration, along with Doctor Strange (for pretty much the same reason; he worked best as a loner, too), Lee had to drop down to the “B” list for Ant-Man and the Wasp. They weren’t setting any sales records, but there just weren’t that many costumed characters left to choose from.

The last original member of the Avengers, the Hulk, was the wild card. His title had recently been cancelled, so you couldn’t make any kind of argument for fan popularity, but Stan had a soft spot for the ol’ Green Goliath. He was sure that the Hulk just hadn’t found his audience, yet. Or, perhaps more accurately, his audience hadn’t found him, yet. Besides, as with all of his other creations, Stan wasn’t looking to make a carbon copy of DC’s offerings; he was looking to make the Avengers different, distinctive. And Jade-Jaw’s surly attitude and hot temper would add an atmosphere of contention to the Avengers, as opposed to the ever-convivial Justice League membership.

Not surprisingly, the Hulk didn’t find the association an uplifting one and he quit the team at the end of the second issue. That kicked off a sub-plot that ran across a number of Marvel titles, as the remaining Avengers tried to locate the Hulk and make nice. The Emerald Behemoth wanted none of it. In the meantime, there was an empty chair at the Avengers’ meeting table.

Not that the Assemblers felt any real need to fill the opening. When your ranks include three of the mightiest people on the face of the planet (by this time, Hank Pym had adopted “Giant-Man” as his primary costumed identity), taking on new members is almost an after-thought. The only reason the Avengers kept trying to bring the Hulk back into the fold was so they could keep a watch over his tendency to go on city-destroying rampages every now and then.

The landmark Avengers # 4 (Mar., 1964) saw the return of the Golden-Age hero Captain America to the Marvel universe. As the story depicted, the Avengers plucked Cap’s frozen-in-suspended-animation body out of the ocean and thawed him out. That was lucky for the Assemblers, because it meant that the star-spangled hero was there to save the day when they were turned to stone by an alien’s mysterious ray. After a brief concluding battle with the Sub-Mariner and a gaggle of common, home-grown gangsters, the Avengers offer Cap a place on the team.

That was it. No voting, no deliberation, just “Thanks for helping us out, pal. You wanna join our club?”

Sure, one could make the argument that Captain America’s legendary reputation precluded any kind of formality. But still, it was pretty casual for a group that prided itself on its attention to protocol and by-laws. In those days, Avengers meetings had a rotating chairman, but no matter who had the job on a particular day, he always seemed to do it with a copy of Robert’s Rules of Order in front of him.

Sure, over at DC, the Justice League also utilised a rotating chair, but it was largely a functionary sort of thing. The JLA chairman got to sit at the head of the council table, bang the meeting to order with the gavel, and, if there was an immediate menace to deal with, hand out the sub-team assignments. Other than that, League meetings were a pretty laid-back sort of thing, with all kinds of cross-discussion.

But that sort of thing was ‘way too ad Librium for the Avengers. They took their meetings seriously, boy. Minutes were read and the chair had to recognise speakers, who were always motioning this or that, or seconding those motions. And the Avengers chairman job carried a lot more authority than that namby-pamby JLA chairman. The chairman of the Avengers also gave orders in the field, and his word was pretty much law.

For all that dedication to parliamentary procedure, the Avengers took the matter of new members rather casually (as opposed to the JLA, for which new inductions were the only time it did seem to pay attention to by-laws). In fact, only once during the Silver Age did the Assemblers actually hold a meeting specifically to discuss taking on a new member.

In “. . . to Become an Avenger!”, from The Amazing Spider-Man King-Size Special # 3 (Nov., 1966), the Assemblers hold a special session to determine the Web-Slinger’s potential for membership. Avengers fans had never seen this happen before, and it was clear that it wasn’t something the heroes themselves were used to, either. Spider-Man is the only candidate proposed; yet, after some heated debate, they realise that they didn’t know much about what Spidey can do.

Nor are they too sure about his integrity. They call in Daredevil, the Man Without Fear, for a character reference. (In other words, the Avengers ask one masked hero about whom they know next to nothing to vouch for another masked hero about whom they know next to nothing.) After DD assures them that Spidey is a swell guy, the Avengers seek out the Web-Slinger and offer him a spot on the team. After some soul-searching, Spider-Man decides that the prestige of being an Avenger would pretty much mute all those hostile Daily Bugle editorials and improve his stock with the citizens of New York.

Loyal readers knew there were a lot more dividends to being an Avenger than just public admiration. Tony Stark paid a monthly stipend to all members. Though many Avengers refused it, it was there for the taking, and while the amount was meagre by Stark’s standards, it was a pretty healthy chunk of change to us ordinary joes. Also, a member, if he chose to do so, could live rent-free at the Avengers Mansion, in one of the sumptuous guest rooms, and get daily tending by Jarvis, the Avengers’ butler.

The biggest bennie was undoubtedly getting issued an Avengers I.D. card. It opened a lot of doors shut tight to anyone else. The bearer of an Avengers I.D. was awarded a stratospherically high government security classification and gave him direct access to the President, jumping ahead of members of Congress and Cabinet secretaries, if need be.

Spider-Man shows up at the mansion and accepts their offer of Avenger-hood. Not so fast, Webhead, the Assemblers tell him. First, there is a little matter of an initiation. Nothing too formidable, they explain---“just” capture the Hulk. Before he has a chance to come to his senses, Spider-Man accepts the task.

In one of those comic-book coïncidences designed to keep the plot within page count, the Hulk happens to arrive in Manhattan and Spider-Man tracks him down. The Web-Slinger pretty much gets pounded into dog meat for his effort, but, incredibly, he comes within a hair’s breadth of actually defeating the Hulk. This is the first time, though, that Spider-Man has met the Green Goliath up close and personal, and he discovers what a tortured, lonely soul the behemoth really is. Spidey can’t bring himself to polish him off and kisses off his chance to become an Avenger.

If the Avengers had little experience at a formalised membership process, it was because they had never done such a thing before. Shortly after Captain America joined the team, they voted in the brand-new super-hero, Wonder Man, in The Avengers # 9 (Oct., 1964), for helping them out on a case. (Big mistake!) But that was practically a White House vetting process compared to how they picked up the next bunch of new Avengers.

In The Avengers # 16 (May, 1965), Thor, Iron Man, Giant-Man, and the Wasp have finally gotten tired of all the motioning and seconding and running off at a moment’s notice to battle the Masters of Evil for the umpteenth time. They decide to take on a bunch of replacements and put Captain America in charge of teaching the newbies how to be Avengers. Everybody thinks this is a pretty good idea (Cap is conveniently out of town at the time) and they kick off the membership drive.

The first new member accepted is Hawkeye the Marksman, who breaks into the mansion and ties up Jarvis the butler to apply for the job. They point out, not unreasonably, that Hawkeye was a villain who had tried to kill Iron Man a couple of times. The archer replies, “Uh, yeah, sorry about that.” Good enough, decide the others, you’re in!

The next two enlistees added to the roster of Marvel’s elite super-group were the mutant siblings Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch. For the first few years of their four-colour existence, they had been members of the super-villain Magneto’s Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, spending their time trying to enslave us mere Homo sapiens. We were, um, misunderstood, Pietro and Wanda explain. That, and posing for a few press photographs, is enough to convince Iron Man and his pals that the pair have the stuff to be Avengers.

When Captain America gets back from South America, he’s dismayed to discover that the Avengers have been turned into a refuge for reformed super-villains. He sees a serious problem with being left in charge of three former criminals who haven’t even proven what they can do, yet. “Really? Well, good luck with that,” say the outgoing Avengers, eager to start their vacations.

Actually, Cap did have good luck with that. Better than one would expect, anyway. The Star-Spangled Avenger had a hell of a time whipping the three self-centered prima donnas into hero material. (See my Deck Log entries # 85-7 for those details.) But at least none of them tried to stick a knife in his ribs while he slept.

The same couldn’t be said for the Swordsman, another super-villain who wanted to join the Avengers in issue # 19 (Aug., 1965). At this point, Captain America must have been tired of fighting the tide; as soon as Iron Man appears to vouch for the Swordsman, Cap simply admits him to the team. It didn’t work out and Swordy was gone by the next issue, after the other Avengers discovered him planting bombs in the mansion, intending to blow them all to smithereens.

At this point, the Avengers’ standards for new members resembled a spiel from Johnny Carson’s old Art Fern character:

“Got no powers? We don’t care.

“Got a prison record? We don’t care.

“Try to kill us when we’re not looking? Then we care!”

Before the end of the Silver Age, two more heroes entered the ranks of the Avengers---Hercules, in issue # 45 (Oct., 1967); and the Black Panther, in issue # 52 (May, 1968). Herc was admitted after assisting the Avengers on, admittedly, a lot of missions, and the Panther was let in on the strength of Captain America’s recommendation. But at least both of these inductees had proven records of good-deed-doing.

Like I said at the start, if you were a Silver-Age hero looking to join the best super-group around, your chances were much better in the Marvel universe. Over at DC, you had to wait for the Justice League to come to you.

But with the Avengers, it seemed like all you had to do was walk in the door and say, “I’m a super-hero, honest!”

Unless you were Spider-Man.

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Comment by Philip Portelli on April 6, 2010 at 11:06pm
Spider-Man and Doctor Strange were probably not included because they were Steve Dikto's characters and the founding Avengers were drawn and/or designed by Jack Kirby. The only other solo super-hero strip was the Human Torch in "Strange Tales" and he already was in the Fantastic Four.

The Hulk was more in control of his transformations at this point though that soon changed. The funny thing about the Avengers asking Daredevil about Spidey was that they had no intention of asking DD to join, so it had to be an awkward moment for Horn-Head!

There was mention of pardons for Hawkeye, Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch but we're still talking about a traitor and two foreign terrorists so they were misunderstood and repentant, though surely not humbled.

The Swordsman was just a comedy of security errors, especially since they got burned by Wonder Man! They even asked the Sub-Mariner to join if he stopped the whole "war on humanity" thing. I guess Magneto and Doctor Doom could have joined if they said "Sorry" too!

I wish that their judgement got better but let's see: Black Widow, the Vision, Swordsman (Again), Wonder Man (AGAIN), Jocasta, etc. -ALL people who tried to kill them and all became members in good standing. Who wouldn't the Avengers have taken?

BTW, Commander, you may know me as Starcommander1.
Comment by Eric L. Sofer on April 7, 2010 at 7:26am
Commander Adam: "... just ask Hawkgirl."

Or Robin.

Philip Portelli: "Spider-Man and Doctor Strange were probably not included because they were Steve Dikto's characters and the founding Avengers were drawn and/or designed by Jack Kirby."

While you're correct that both Doc and Spidey were Steve Ditko drawn characters, I don't think that Ant-Man or the Wasp were Kirby creations (although I could be wrong.) And in any case, I believe that at that time at Marvel, everyone danced to the the tune that Stan Lee played.

Had it been my decision, I would have put Angel and the Human Torch in the Avengers. Both pretty high profile characters (i.e., striking physical appearance - and you can check All-Star Comics to see how well that worked with Hawkman vs. The Flash or Green Lantern), both (obviously) good team players, both good ties to existing books, and a way to examine continuity in the burgeoning new Marvel Universe.

"The Hulk was more in control of his transformations at this point though that soon changed"

IIRC, at this point, I thought the Hulk was either still changing depending on day or night, or having to use one of his gamma machines in "a cave" somewhere in the American Southwest. (Although Banner might have recreated it at Avengers' Mansion - but heaven only knows why!)

The Hulk was such a good antagonist too (not enemy; he was never really evil, and usually wanted to be just left alone), and that's why I think he made a better "foil" for the Avengers than the other big name villain who would have been a perfect fit - the Sub-Mariner. I mean, the Fantastic Four had one of the Marvel Golden Age heroes - one of the other two big names could have worked too! (Oh, wait a minute... :D )

But it would have made a GREAT "What If... Sub-Mariner joined the Avengers instead of the Hulk?"

Daredevil... yeah, it was kind of rude. "Hey! Daredevil! We're looking for new members!" Really? My chance to join Earth's Mightiest Heroes? How flattering! "Do you know Spider-Man's phone number?"

"Who wouldn't the Avengers have taken?"

Well, having mentioned Doctor Strange, Johnny (the Human Torch) Storm, and Daredevil, I think that those are the highest profile Marvel characters who have NEVER been Avengers. Well, and maybe some of the X-Men.

I remain,
Sincerely,
Eric L. Sofer
The Silver Age Fogey
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Comment by Philip Portelli on April 7, 2010 at 9:11am
Kirby was Ant-Man's original artist and he returned to draw the Wasp's debut after he left the strip. The Human Torch was too young and immature to be an effective Avenger. He would have rebelled against Cap faster than Hawkeye and Quicksilver.

If any of the X-Men joined the Avengers, it would have been during the Kooky Quartet era. Each would have given something unique to the team: Cyclops- some serious fire power; Marvel Girl- a female member who didn't faint every time she used her power; Iceman- a multi-use utility player; the Angel- air support and the Beast- some much needed brains and brawn!
Comment by Luke Blanchard on April 7, 2010 at 10:23am
If I might nit-pick, when Avengers #1 came out Ant-Man and Thor had been around about thirteen months,(1) and Iron Man seven. Kirby had ceased regularly doing Ant-Man's series after six instalments and Thor's after seven, although he returned as the regular artist of "Thor" later. According to the Comichron website, Tales to Astonish reported higher average paid circulations than Tales of Suspense and Journey into Mystery in 1962-64, although the sales levels of the three titles were fairly close. So I think at that point Ant-Man/Giant-Man wasn't yet the also-ran of the early Marvel U. (Journey into Mystery was ahead of the others the next year, and, as Thor, more decisively so ahead the year after.)

I think the Captain has said the Hulk's original title was cancelled to clear the space in Marvel's line, rather than because of sales.

Goliath's blue and yellow costume is a favourite of mine. I just think it looks great.

(1) I'm not counting Hank Pym's pre-Ant-Man appearance in Tales to Astonish #27.
Comment by Commander Benson on April 7, 2010 at 5:08pm
"According to the Comichron website, Tales to Astonish reported higher average paid circulations than Tales of Suspense and Journey into Mystery in 1962-64, although the sales levels of the three titles were fairly close. So I think at that point Ant-Man/Giant-Man wasn't yet the also-ran of the early Marvel U."

Thanks for the correxion, Luke. I was going by my memories of the period, and it sure never seemed like Ant/Giant-Man was as popular as either Thor or Iron Man. But then I didn't really jump aboard Marvel until around 1965, and by then, Giant-Man was seriously into his also-ran stage. (That was the year that he lost his series in Tales to Astonish to the Sub-Mariner.) So my evaluation that Hank and Jan were "B" listers was probably coloured by that.

At least my error didn't obviate my central point in that paragraph, that Stan Lee chose his most popular super-heroes (less Spider-Man) to populate the Avengers.

Speaking of which, when it comes to why Spidey and Dr. Strange weren't considered for the Avengers, Mr. Portelli (and welcome aboard! We're glad you're here!), I have to agree with Fogey. Steve Ditko may have been the artistic hand for those two characters, but it was Stan Lee's sandbox and if he had deemed so, either or both Spider-Man and Strange would have been Avengers. I still feel it was Stan's judgement that Spider-Man worked best as a loner. It fit in with the general theme of a character who wins his battles as a super-hero but keeps losing out as a normal person. That was the draw that made the character of Spider-Man so attractive to his fans. Though for different reasons, Dr. Strange was also a character "detached" from the usual super-hero universe and Stan probably excluded him for the same reasons.


"I think the Captain has said the Hulk's original title was cancelled to clear the space in Marvel's line, rather than because of sales."

I've researched that---after the fact, admittedly---the best I could over a couple of hours, and have found only two references to why the original Hulk title was cancelled.

In The Comic Book Heroes ( second edition; Prima Lifestyles, 1996) Gerard Jones and Will Jacobs point to poor sales as the reason for the original Hulk title's cancellation after only six issues.

In Marvel: Five Fabulous Decades of the World's Greatest Comics (Harry N. Abrams, Inc., 1991), Les Daniels reports that, because of Marvel's distribution set-up, limiting the company to publishing only eight titles, the original Hulk title was cancelled to make an opening for The Amazing Spider-Man.

At casual inspexion, it seems to fit---the last Hulk issue, The Incredible Hulk # 6, was cover-dated March, 1963; and the first issue of The Amazing Spider-Man was also cover-dated March, 1963. Close enough to substantiate the notion that the Hulk was shoved aside to make 'way for Spidey.

Yet, the two explanations are not mutually exclusive. I figure it like this: if The Incredible Hulk had been selling great guns, it's doubtful that Marvel would cancel it to make room for a Spider-Man title, when all it had to go by was the sales report on Amazing Fantasy # 15 (the first Spider-Man story).

It's more likely that The Incredible Hulk was selling poorly, or even O.K., but the response to Amazing Fantasy # 15 clobbered the Hulk sales so signficantly that Marvel opted to take a chance on Spidey and gave the Hulk the heave-ho.

I can't help but think if The Incredible Hulk had strong sales, Marvel wouldn't have cancelled it on the strength of the one Spider-Man story in Amazing Fantasy. Rather, it would have given Spider-Man a guest shot in some story to see if the character's popularity maintained.

Thanks for all the input, guys.
Comment by Patrick Curley on April 7, 2010 at 7:27pm
I think the "Get out of having been a super-villain" card was the excuse that you did it for love. Wanda and Pietro for each other, Hawkeye for the Black Widow, and the Black Widow for her ex-husband (although she had the additional excuse of having been "brainwashed"). Cap does spell out the rules on induction in Avengers #36: "We have to call a special meeting to vote on it!" but that may just have been an excuse to get out of considering Natasha at that point.
Comment by Randy Jackson on April 7, 2010 at 8:28pm
As I recall, the Black Widow was never actually inducted into the Avengers in the Silver Age. Hawkeye wanted her in, and I'm pretty sure they were going to swear her in, but I believe she got sidetracked by S.H.I.E.L.D. because Nick Fury wanted her to undergo a pretty heavy duty espionage mission, and afterward, she briefly retired.

She would have definitely been another reformed criminal (and really, over the years the Avengers have had so many of those on their roster that in terms of numbers it might compare to the Legion of Super Heroes) to join the Avengers ranks, and unlike Hawkeye, Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch, there never seemed to be a long range plan to reform her, IIRC.
Comment by Figserello on April 7, 2010 at 11:30pm
Eric said Well, having mentioned Doctor Strange, Johnny (the Human Torch) Storm, and Daredevil, I think that those are the highest profile Marvel characters who have NEVER been Avengers.

Never say NEVER... (for one of them, at any rate...)

I thought Daredevil had been lately, but I'm just being confused by Ronin.

As for the Human Torch, well, the actor who plays him is going to play Cap in an Avengers movie...
Comment by Philip Portelli on April 7, 2010 at 11:53pm
I don't think "Hulk" was cancelled for "Amazing Spider-Man". I remember reading the reason that Dikto drew the last issue (#6) was so Kirby could start on "Sgt. Fury"! AND that "Amazing Fantasy" was replaced by "The Two-Gun Kid"!! So Spidey and the Hulk were pushed aside for a cowboy and a soldier, good examples of the variety of books we lack today!

BTW, when will Marvel put out an "Essential Sgt. Fury" or any with the western heroes?
Comment by Luke Blanchard on April 12, 2010 at 8:28pm
"At least my error didn't obviate my central point in that paragraph, that Stan Lee chose his most popular super-heroes (less Spider-Man) to populate the Avengers."

I fear I'd quibble over that too, for a reason you come right up to in your column. Marvel didn't really have any other current superheroes, except Spider-Man and the members of the Fantastic Four. The Torch was appearing in Strange Tales, but he, of course, was already a member of a team. The Sub-Mariner had been revived, but was being used as a villain.(1) Lee may not have considered including Dr. Strange, since he's not quite a superhero.(2) The X-Men debuted the same month as the Avengers, Daredevil hadn't come along yet.(3)

For that matter, the original roster of the JLA consisted of every DC superhero that currently had his or her own feature, except Green Arrow and Supergirl (and Superboy).

Comparative dates via the "Time Platform" section of Mike's Amazing World of Marvel Comics.

(1) He's very sympathetic in Fantastic Four Annual #1, which came out at around the same time as Avengers #1, but he also declares war on the human race in the issue, so I think "villain" is fair.

(2) Strange's feature was a revival of the magician hero type of strip (Mr. Mystic, from the Spirit sections, similarly released his ectoplasmic body). To be fair, the magician hero Dr. Fate was included in the original line-up of the JSA.

After Strange's first two appearances his strip went on hiatus for two issues, returning the month after Avengers #1 came out. The second story ends with the caption "More of the occult adventures of Dr. Strange will appear in a future issue of Strange Tales...". Possibly Lee or Goodwin wanted to see how the initial episodes had gone down before continuing with it, but it could also be that strip went on hiatus for scheduling reasons.

Strange's first two stories depict him as having the power to release his spirit form, and as possessing a powerful magical amulet. He magically contacts the Ancient One while in spirit form in the first tale.

(3) Dr. Droom had last appeared the same month that the Fantastic Four debuted.

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