I posted this in the group "Who is The Doctor" with only one response so I thought I would post it here to give it a bit more visability.

 

Well, seeing as no one else has taken it upon themselves to start a discussion on the subject and my bud, Lee Houston Jr. and I used to chat about this on cbgxtra in the olden days, I thought I would continue the tradition here to discuss the new episodes the week after they have been shown. That is if no one is opposed to the idea. No, well then we will continue. Also try to keep in mind that possibly not everyone HAS seen any given new episode so try and avoid an abundance of spoilers

 

The Impossible Astronaut

 

I have to say that in season 5, I was NOT Matt Smith's biggest supporter and the vibe of the show altogether was a bit too kiddified for my tastes but this episode really changed that HOWEVER, one thing that did bother me was at the VERY beginning. I really appreciated the BBCWales and BBCAmerica (It's new co-producer) for taking the time to remember the late Elisabeth Sladen at the top of the show but why didn't Nicolas Courtney get the same acknowledgment? I realize possibly an oversight and maybe they will give him a memorial at the beginning of the second episode. Some might see that as nitpicking but I think the man earned it.

 

The intro to the show as well has changed with an introductory monologue done by Amy, which while a nice touch for the newer viewer I am still not sure about. Especially keeping in mind that the rumour mill (maybe it has been confirmed, I don't know) that she will be leaving by the end of the season. Also Arthur (Rory) Darvill has gotten a credit in the show's opening, I wonder how long it will be before Alex Kingston gets one as well. Speaking of our favourite Dr. Song, she seems to have a real thing against head wear. In "The Big Bang" she vapourizes The Doctor's fez and in this she shoots his stetson off his head. If she had been around after the regeneration from the first to second Doctor, I would have hated to see what would have happened to his stovepipe hat.

 

One of the biggest cheers I have to give this episode is the performance and the depth that it gave to River Song. Sure, there was the usual "Spoilers", "Hello sweetie" and "The worse day of my life" but beyond that there is a scene between her and Rory which really gives a melancholy to the relationship between River and The Doctor and you get the feeling that on some level when she met the Tenth, she knew it was all over. On a lighter note, we also see the return of The Doctor turning one switch to have The TARDIS one thing which it doesn't and then River flicks another to have it do what he really wanted it to do.

 

Again, on the side of the pluses, we see the return of the amazement that the new characters have when they experience The TARDIS for the first time, such as Richard Nixon gobsmacked when he sees The TARDIS dematerialize and Canton Delaware III going through a BELIEVABLE shock with the "bigger on the inside". I think to some extent the viewers, and through this the writers, have become a bit jaded with the wonders of the old Type 40 and every once in a while you need that WTF moment to remind of just how amazing the whole thing is.

 

NOW THIS MIGHT BE A BIT SPOILERY SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AWAY FROM THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH

We have in this story a new alien life form but something somewhat familiar in a sense. A race that you forget if you are not looking at them (Maybe they should team up with the Weeping Angels ;) who have technology we have seen before. Rory and River Song by the end of this episode have found a command center of sorts and looking back, the technology is a re-use of the deck of the ship from the episode "The Lodger". Maybe they are connected, maybe not. Have to wait to see part 2 of the season opener to find out I guess.

SPOILERY BIT OVER

 

Just one or two final observations here: A) Is it just me or is Amy's accent getting thicker? and B) I really wish they wouldn't age The Doctor with the age of the show. As the main action of the show goes on we find out he hasn't been with Amy and Rory for six months and when he later states his age, he is 909. I know he has companions he likes to travel with but seriously, based on this, he has gone through his tenth life in the 4 years we saw him on the TV? I would have maybe left it open and added a few years if for no other reason than to give the novel writers something to work with. At this rate, I don't think he will make 920. But then again, which of us will ;) Mind you it does kind of explain WHY he is a bit gun shy about walking in to a trap having just regenerated about 18 months ago in his own timeline.

 

Anyways, those are my thoughts. Discuss.

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No kidding Don! I think I need to watch that about 15 more times!

I unfortunately cannot comment upon the episode as much as I want to either.

Charter Communications decided to have technical problems, so my cable went out just as Amy was about to be shot by the FBI guy that was supposed to be on her side. It did not come back online until Nixon was getting the Doctor out of hot water at Cape Canaveral, so I have no idea what I missed in between until next week's rerun.

However, thanks to the "Doctor Who In America" special afterwards, I have noticed that even BBC America cuts out some scenes to accommodate commercials, but at least they appear to be a bit more judicial about it than the SCI-FI Channel was.

And the scanner could just be wonky because it's acting wonky.

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My very minor complaint about River Song is a behind-the-scenes one. The Doctor has had a companion who is a professor of archeology since 1992--Bernice "Benny" Summerfield. There are a lot of differences between Benny and River but it still seems, I dunno, a little lazy not to have done something more original. Like I said, a very minor complaint.

But Benny Summerfield only "exists" in audio and novels...so...she kinda doesn't count.  I mean, I'm a huge Who fan and even I've never read or listened to a story with her in it...no offense to Paul Cornell.  ;)

 

Although it would be weird to regenerate and become so young...um...Moffat was instrumental in keeping a certain young lady alive when she was supposed to be killed in a RTD episode.  Just something to think about.

The Curse of the Black Spot

 

Sorry, I was feeling under the weather so I didn't really get in to the discussion for the second part of the season premiere. :(

 

This was a nice stand alone story but because of that, the few points of this seasons’ continuity felt a bit shoe horned in to this story. We again see the sliding door with the woman looking in on Amy and we see the TARDIS uncertainty of Amy’s pregnancy. In this story, I didn’t see the need for either. I liked the choice of locales. I think this is only the third sailing ship the TARDIS has landed on in the series (The other two being the Marie Celeste in the First Doctor’s time and the ship it landed on in Logopolis). I found the Captain and his son to be well rounded characters instead of the caricatures they could have easily been. The Doctor managed to wear a hat without having it destroyed so, THAT’S new ;) More marital problems for the Ponds mind you being mind controlled by a siren SHOULD give you a BIT of leeway, I would think. All in all not a bad episode but I am looking forward to this coming week’s offering (the half way point in this half of the season already) just from the title, “The Doctor’s wife”. So we have had “The Doctor’s daughter”, now “The Doctor’s wife” what is next season “The Doctor’s whole Famn Damily!” Maybe we will see “The Doctor’s great-uncle Fred”. Only time will tell I guess. ;)

New set-up to an old joke: “Who brings a cutlass to a pistol fight?”

I think a casual fan would criticize episode as being too similar to “The Empty Child” (but then again, the causual fan isn’t likely to have seen “The Empty Child” so I guess we’re okay). Methinks Moffett’s series relies overmuch on “reminding” the viewer (casual or not) of what he should already know by flashing “hints” on the screen throughout. If the viewer can’t be expected to remember important bits of set-up by the time of the pay-off weeks away, Moffet’s ambition is a little too clever in that respect.


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The Curse of the Black Spot

 

Sorry, I was feeling under the weather so I didn't really get in to the discussion for the second part of the season premiere. :(

 

This was a nice stand alone story but because of that, the few points of this seasons’ continuity felt a bit shoe horned in to this story. We again see the sliding door with the woman looking in on Amy and we see the TARDIS uncertainty of Amy’s pregnancy. In this story, I didn’t see the need for either. I liked the choice of locales. I think this is only the third sailing ship the TARDIS has landed on in the series (The other two being the Marie Celeste in the First Doctor’s time and the ship it landed on in Logopolis). I found the Captain and his son to be well rounded characters instead of the caricatures they could have easily been. The Doctor managed to wear a hat without having it destroyed so, THAT’S new ;) More marital problems for the Ponds mind you being mind controlled by a siren SHOULD give you a BIT of leeway, I would think. All in all not a bad episode but I am looking forward to this coming week’s offering (the half way point in this half of the season already) just from the title, “The Doctor’s wife”. So we have had “The Doctor’s daughter”, now “The Doctor’s wife” what is next season “The Doctor’s whole Famn Damily!” Maybe we will see “The Doctor’s great-uncle Fred”. Only time will tell I guess. ;)


Actually, two of the characters in the next episode are called Aunt and Uncle...

What stoked me was in the teaser. Neil Gaiman stated there was something in the episode not seen since War Games - and there it was, right up front...

I watched the second part of the first story last night.  A lot of it was very clever.  The Silence have a great schtick, and then the method of getting them off the planet was pretty smart.

 

I'm amazed at what Moffatt is doing with River Song.  So we saw their first kiss from the Doctor's point of view, but their last from her's?  That was really sad.  And then I had to go through in my memory each of her subsequent meetings with him, because that is her future but we the viewers only have those previously shown episodes to map out her future.

 

And the implication was that her and the Doctor have quite a physical relationship, even though he seems quite an asexual chap.  And there must be quite a few episodes of River Song in our future as she needs to build up her Tardis-blue files/diary of their time together.

 

In the end it'll make for a very interesting viewing to see all the episodes from her point of view.  So long as the actress looks both ways before crossing the road between now and her first meeting with The Doctor.

 

The way he knows her less and less each meeting they have makes it like how a relationship with an alzheimers sufferer must end!

 

Amy Pond is still being cruel to Rory.  The honeymoon must be over.  All that crying out and she couldn't even bring herself to say his name?  Hah!

 

Hoping to see the Gaiman episode before the weekend.

Nobody's seen "The Doctor's Wife" yet?  (Or wanted to comment?)

Well, WITHOUT SPOILING, then:  A clever idea, and one well-played (especially by Suranne Jones, who was delightful).  I saw Gaiman in a non-spoilery interview saying that there are some stories that can only be told once, so it's fun to be the one to tell them.  I'd turn that on its head and say that it takes an especially creative mind to look at a show that's been around for nearly fifty years and think of a story that makes a viewer say "Gee, why didn't anybody think of that before now?"

I talked about it...but on facebook.  (hangs head in shame)

Same as Doc...but here we go.

 

I thought it was fantastic. I have watched at least 3 time by now. I thought it was smart and beautiful.  I love the range of emotions we saw from the Doctor. I loved the whole "My thief" stuff, that and how she stole him.  I really loved how all the conversations went.  So many quotable lines. And S. Jones did a great job playing Idiris.

 

The only small disappointment was the all we saw of the Tardis were the corridors, and that swimming pool was among the rooms deleted...sigh, budget constraints.

I loved the whole "My thief" stuff, that and how she stole him.  I really loved how all the conversations went.  So many quotable lines.

Oh my, yes.

The pool has been deleted before -- it'll be back.

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