Fantastic Four

[JD DeLuzio]

Unless I'm missing it (and, if I am, some moderator-type should feel free to move my comment there), the good folks at Captain Comic's have avoided the firestorm that has hit certain places because Michael B.Jordan has been cast as Johnny Storm in the forthcoming FF film. I'm fine with the choice-- the movies are their own entity-- but I'm annoyed that they've stated Sue and Johnny will not be siblings. I think that decision removes an essential part of the FF's squabbling family dynamic.

Anyone else?

 

[ClarkKent_DC]

As for Johnny Depp being "cast" as Tonto in The Lone Ranger, it was more like. "I'm Johnny Depp, and I've made a billion dollars for your studio in the "Pirates of the Caribbean" movies, so I want to do Tonto, and I want to do it my way." And since he and producer Jerry Bruckheimer DID make a billion dollars for the studio in the "Pirates of the Caribbean" movies, nobody in a position to say no said "No."

[Rob Staeger (Grodd Mod)]

Yeah, I remember hearing that, too. Regardless, he seems like a horrible choice for the role -- especially since it's one that a young Native American actor could have really put his stamp on.

PowerBook Pete, the Mad Mod said:

There was some, but there was a story put out that Depp is part Native American.

[John Dunbar]

Mark S. Ogilvie said:

I give leeway to different medium interpretations as now if they do put a mixed race element into the FF movie it won't bother me at all, but I can see the reason it would bother others.  Perhaps not the race element itself as much as anger at the producer/writer who looks at the traditional and says 'The hell with this, the people who liked this are idiots, they don't know what they like until I tell them what they like" and that's been in my opinion the philosophy behind a lot of comic book to movie interpretations  that have featured massive shifts in character design and behavior.

Unless you have heard or read someone say this, how can you know this was their thought process?  You cannot.  Yes, I know it's your opinion, but it's an uninformed one.

[Emerkeith Davyjack]

...Briefly and rushed now , I am implying nothing ~ Merely pointing out a fact/factor in (especially) American history .

John Dunbar (the mod of maple) said:

I read it, and did a little bit of research about on the internet.

I still don't know why you're bringing it up.  Without putting words in your mouth, I don't think I like what you're implying.  Please explain your point to me.

Emerkeith Davyjack said:

...The " One-Drop Rule " is discussed at Wikipedia...........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

[John Dunbar]

Emerkeith Davyjack said:

...Briefly and rushed now , I am implying nothing ~ Merely pointing out a fact/factor in (especially) American history .

Emerkeith, if you are "rushed now", perhaps holding off on posting might be an idea.

This Canadian is certainly no expert on American history.  Before you added it to the conversation, I had not heard of the "one-drop" rule.  Even after reading the wikipedia article, I don't know what it adds to this conversation. 

I explained back on page 2 how Johnny can be black and Sue can be white and their relationship can still be the same.  You had made some comments about how one or both could be adopted; again, either or both could be, but neither of them have to be.

Saying this:

...John , yeah , but , to be blunt , you are aware of the " one drop "

 custom regarding definition of African-American-ness in this culture ?

  In the past , law , remaining custom to-day.........

adds nothing, unless you explain your point.  How does that relate to the casting decisions made for the FF movie?  Or is it a comment on mixed-race families?  It's a fact/factor in American history - ok, so what?

As I said, I'm no expert, but after googling a bit, I share the opinion that the "one-drop" rule wasn't there to help the African-American population.  I think there's a pretty good reason it isn't law anymore.  Remaining custom today - really?  Are employers allowed to ask what race someone belongs to?  How about landlords?  Schools of higher learning?

I think people can self-identify any way they want.  Other people don't get to make that call for them.

[Richard Willis]

I think it was a condition of his making a fifth Pirates of the Caribbean movie, which they are now preparing to do.

ClarkKent_DC said:

As for Johnny Depp being "cast" as Tonto in The Lone Ranger, it was more like. "I'm Johnny Depp, and I've made a billion dollars for your studio in the "Pirates of the Caribbean" movies, so I want to do Tonto, and I want to do it my way." And since he and producer Jerry Bruckheimer DID make a billion dollars for the studio in the "Pirates of the Caribbean" movies, nobody in a position to say no said "No."

[Mark S. Ogilvie]

  In our world they've stopped poisoning wells and moved on to the oceans.  It is unhealthy.

PowerBook Pete, the Mad Mod said:

Detective 445 said:

Sounds pretty unhealthy.

 

When I've found that someone's poisoned my well, I don't keep drinking from the same one; I find another well. I read a lot more reprints and independent comics than new ones from the Big Two and have for the last few years.

[Mark S. Ogilvie]

Johnny Depp though has played rolls from Edward Scicor Hands to Willy Wonka to Barnabus Collins, the guy can really submerge himself. That being said I haven't seen the movie so I can't tell how he did.

Rob Staeger (Grodd Mod) said:

Yeah, I remember hearing that, too. Regardless, he seems like a horrible choice for the role -- especially since it's one that a young Native American actor could have really put his stamp on.
PowerBook Pete, the Mad Mod said:

There was some, but there was a story put out that Depp is part Native American.

[ClarkKent_DC]

John Dunbar (the mod of maple) said:

Emerkeith Davyjack said:

...Briefly and rushed now , I am implying nothing ~ Merely pointing out a fact/factor in (especially) American history .

Emerkeith, if you are "rushed now", perhaps holding off on posting might be an idea.

 

I agree.

John Dunbar (the mod of maple) said:

This Canadian is certainly no expert on American history.  Before you added it to the conversation, I had not heard of the "one-drop" rule.  Even after reading the wikipedia article, I don't know what it adds to this conversation. 

 

Man, I wish I could say I've never heard of the "one-drop" rule ...

[Mr. Silver Age]

Yeah, having had my share of American history classes, I'm familiar with the "one-drop" rule, too. Likewise Loving vs. Virginia. Those are legal actions long outdated, denounced and shunned. Wait until you've got more time than to write "I have no time" and then explain what it has to do with anything we're talking about. 

BTW, Maple Mod, since you mentioned it, early in WWII, the British Air Ministry spread the word that their pilots were eating more carrots, which helped them see better at night to shoot down more planes than before. What actually was helping them shoot down all those planes was a new thing called radar.

I don't know if the Nazis believed it, but moms all over America did. They also believed comic books wrecked your eyes, so for every comic book I read, I promised to eat a carrot. And here I am today.

-- MSA

[Mark S. Ogilvie]

I'll never understand why mothers in general seemed to have a grudge against comics back then. According to my mom her mom burned all of her comics.

Mr. Silver Age said:

Yeah, having had my share of American history classes, I'm familiar with the "one-drop" rule, too. Likewise Loving vs. Virginia. Those are legal actions long outdated, denounced and shunned. Wait until you've got more time than to write "I have no time" and then explain what it has to do with anything we're talking about. 

BTW, Maple Mod, since you mentioned it, early in WWII, the British Air Ministry spread the word that their pilots were eating more carrots, which helped them see better at night to shoot down more planes than before. What actually was helping them shoot down all those planes was a new thing called radar.

I don't know if the Nazis believed it, but moms all over America did. They also believed comic books wrecked your eyes, so for every comic book I read, I promised to eat a carrot. And here I am today.

-- MSA

[Rob Staeger (Grodd Mod)]

Ugh, carrots. If I ate one for every comic I'd read... I don't even wanna think about it.