OK, just read issue #0.  It involves the current iteration of Nova, who is apparently a kid named Sam Alexander, whose father was an old drunk who claimed to have been an intergalactic space hero, and who eventually disappeared. In time, the son discovers that the old man had been an intergalactic space hero and ends up becoming the new Nova himself. I'm not familiar with this version of the character, so I can't say how long he's been around. I remember reading the original Nova nearly forty years ago - I don't have any great memories of him except that he was drawn by Carmine Infantino for awhile.

 

Anyway, our Sam fights a robot version of Tomazooma and meets the Avengers and asks them about the Watcher and finds out that while they know the Watcher watches, they don't know why. So, he goes to the Moon and gives the Watcher a rock and Utau Atua Utapau Uatu shows him his home movies of how his Dad (Uatu's, I mean, not Sam's) was the one who had the bright idea of giving the Prosilicans nuclear energy and we all know how that worked out.  Is this new?  I don't remember it being U Thant Utrecht Uatu's old man who did that. Anyway, Sam asks Uatu just how much he watches and Uatu blows his mind by showing him scenes from old issues of What If.  Anyway, Sam realizes that what Uatu is really hoping to see is a world where his dad wasn't wrong. Sam commiserates and says that he wishes his father wasn't a screw-up, too, then asks Uatu what happened to his (Sam's, not Uatu's) dad, and after a slight pause, Uatu tells Sam that his dad is still alive. (Say, isn't that sort of "interfering", Uatu, old son?).  Sam goes off happy and Uatu puts the rock on a shelf. 

 

A mildly interesting story, and the art is nice enough.

 

Say, the Watcher apparently has an armory - he's really loaded for bear - where he keeps the Ultimate Nullifier. How'd he end up with it? I thought Galactus took that back after Reed made him promise to leave Earth after threatening to blow his head off with it.

 

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The Army, and presumably other services, has something called Non-Commissioned Officer school. Similar to Officer Candidate School, members with recognized ability will go to this special training and will be awarded rank sooner rather than later.

Also, I recently discovered that the E-1 to E-9 scale was actually reversed back in WWII. A Master Sergeant used to be E-1 and is now E-8. Sergeant Major, which is now E-9, was not in use in WWII. A "buck" private used to be E-7 and is now E-1. A "buck" sergeant (like Fury) was E-4 in WWII and is now E-5. Apparently the changes was made in the late 40s.

First I'd heard about any of this -- really educational, thanks, Richard!  My stepfather joined the Navy in 1943 on a 4 year enlistment at age 17 -- at the end of WWII he was mystified as to why most of his shipmates were getting out but he had to stay until it was pointed out to him that they had enlisted for the "duration of the war" but he had enlisted in the "regular" Navy.  After his initial term of service was up, he did get out and went into business with one of his brothers.  That didn't work out so well so he re-enlisted and put in another 16 years.  My dad joined in 1957, to get away from farmlife in northeast Texas and spent 27 years in the Navy, retiring as a Senior Chief Yeoman.  He got into that rating, btw, because one day someone lined up all the E-1s who had been doing grunt work, swabbing decks, etc., and asked who could type.  My dad had never even touched a typewriter before but he lied and was able to learn quickly enough to get away with it.
 
Richard Willis said:

The Army, and presumably other services, has something called Non-Commissioned Officer school. Similar to Officer Candidate School, members with recognized ability will go to this special training and will be awarded rank sooner rather than later.

Also, I recently discovered that the E-1 to E-9 scale was actually reversed back in WWII. A Master Sergeant used to be E-1 and is now E-8. Sergeant Major, which is now E-9, was not in use in WWII. A "buck" private used to be E-7 and is now E-1. A "buck" sergeant (like Fury) was E-4 in WWII and is now E-5. Apparently the changes was made in the late 40s.

Fred W. Hill said:

Ah, I bow to your considerable knowledge of Nick Fury lore and military history, Commander!  These details, however, do leave me wondering if it was realistic for an army enlistee to have risen to the rank of Sergeant within apparently less than a year after joining?  A Sgt. is an E-5 (equivelent to my ranking as a YN2, or Second Class Petty Officer, Yeoman, in the Navy).  Due to my college background and work experience when I enlisted, I started as an E-3 and made E-5 within 3 years.  I suppose Fury could have been boosted up that much quicker due to the necessities of war and recognition of his ability.  And it certainly must have helped to have a friendly officer like Captain Sawyer around to nudge his career along at a faster than usual rate.
 

Well, Private Rock got a battlefield promotion to Sergeant Rock apparently a few months after his deployment to North Africa, as noted over here and shown in the story "Three Stripes Hill!" in Our Army at War #90 (January 1960). Rock and a private first class, a corporal, and the sergeant from his unit are assigned to hold a hill, and each man sardonically jokes that if he's killed, the next survivor will be promoted to his rank. Then they're attacked with everything but the kitchen sink -- and first we lose the private first class, and then the corporal, and then the sergeant. Rock is the last man standing.

Fred W. Hill said:

My dad joined in 1957, to get away from farmlife in northeast Texas and spent 27 years in the Navy, retiring as a Senior Chief Yeoman. He got into that rating, btw, because one day someone lined up all the E-1s who had been doing grunt work, swabbing decks, etc., and asked who could type. My dad had never even touched a typewriter before but he lied and was able to learn quickly enough to get away with it.

Good for your dad. When I finished Army Basic Training They asked all of us about our experience. I told them I had been working as a clerk for a year-and-a-half and knew how to type from high school. (It happens these were both true) They awarded me a Clerk MOS and bypassed advanced training for on-the-job training. I ultimately was a company clerk, which was a Specialist 5 (E-5) job. I was separated as a Specialist 4 (now just called Specialist) when our unit was deactivated and sent home from Vietnam before I was eligible for the promotion.

NICK FURY’S EARLY CAREER:

Compare these more recent (if you consider 1994 and 2009 “recent”) versions of events to the ones Commander Benson posted yesterday.

MARVELS (1994): A young civilian Nick Fury in Hell’s Kitchen is shown reacting to the public debut of Captain America in 1941. The month is not specified, but we can extrapolate late spring or early summer. He remarks, “He’s doin’ what we oughtta be doin’ — takin’ the fight to the man who started it! I can’t wait till we’re in this! You’ll see some stuff then!”

THE MARVELS PROJECT (2009-2010): In late 1939, Nick Fury and Red Hargrove are in England. Their parachuting skills have brought them to the attention of Colonel Ellis of the British Army. Ellis introduces them to Lieutenant Sam Sawyer, who recruits them as independent Special Operatives to cross enemy lines to extract defecting German scientist Abraham Erskine. After the successful completion of their mission, Hargrove enlists while Fury returns to the United States. In 1941, “Nick Fury was nearly destroyed by the death of his best friend Red Hargrove at Pearl Harbor. But he survived his grief by leading a team of Army Commandoes known as the Howlers.”

Original Sin #4 of 8 ( Augist 2014): "Secret Warriors"

Again, a picture for spoiler space. This time,  your worst nightmare:

 

 

Frank and Stephen are still in Dimension 19, posturing at each other to show how tough they are.  Bucky is at the Blue Area of the Moon, still holding Nick's head. T'Challa, Emma and Scott Lang leave the Earth's Core and head for outer space. They hear the news about Nick's death. At Avengers Tower, Logan and Bruce find Nick's body. Logan sniffs out that it was Bucky who did it. Frank and Stephen arrive and discuss things rationally attack them immediately.  Frank and Stephen find the Orb, who says that he can lead them to the Eye, but they won't like it.  In space, T'Challa and pals find a mysterous satellite.  Frank and Stephen show up, with the Orb in tow..  They all posture at one another to show how tough they are.  The Orb says "Hello! I talk to eyeballs.", which just about justifies this comic's existence.  Bucky shows up with the Eye and Nick's head. He and Frank posture at one another to show how tough they are. Gamora and Marc show up, having hitched a ride with Rocket Raccoon, Frank and Rocket posture at one another to show how tough they are.  Gamora fights Bucky and, for some reason, Emma. They all posture at one another to show how tough they are. While fighting Bucky, Gamora stabs Nick's head, revealing that it is an LMD.  They all jabber at one another in confusion, before the door behind them opens, revealing Nick Fury, looking about the age we decided he would be if he'd aged normally, and with a bunch of standard model Fury LMD's behind him.

 

Overall:  Get sick of reading the phrase "posture at one another to show how tough they are"? Just so. I got sick of seeing Marvel heroes talking at one another like they were teenaged boys. I bet anyone on this board could write dialogue that is truer to these characters than what we are given here.

 

Anyway - so, Nick Fury is Brother Eye. is that it?  Are we leading into the notion that every appearance we've seen of Nick Fury for the last umpty years has actually been an LMD and Fury's actually been aging normally?  I'm afraid that  I'm not even remotely motivated to do due diligence on that (excrement deleted). Is that Nick's secret?  Or maybe I'm off base - maybe it's just that the Fountain of Eternal Early Middle Age has worn off and Nick's been covering it up? 

 

Side questions:  Say, do LMD's know they're LMD's? Do they have minds to read?  Just wondering whether a telepath should be able to spot an LMD immediately or not.

I think LMD's don't know if they are LMD's until programing kicks in. Doombots are like that, Until the real one shows up the bot thinks of itself as Doom.

I was going to put this in the "What Are You Thinking Right Now" thread, but I realized I have to put in a whopping big SPOILER ALERT and I'm far too lazy for that.

So what I'm thinking right now is that maybe Nick Fury could be the Lieutenants Marvel of the Marvel Universe.  We could have Old Fury, Young Fury, Black Fury, 2-Eyed Fury, Mary Fury, etc., etc.

If they did that, I might actually give a rat's patoot what's happening in the 2014 Marvel Universe.  But probably not.

I talked with my lcs guy about OS and he told me that all the stuff I've objected to over the past few years, the way everyone gets away with backstabbing and secret conspiracies and such are all finally going to have real consequences now that it is all coming out. I told him to let me know when they start forming lynch mobs for the Illiminati.

Get sick of reading the phrase "posture at one another to show how tough they are"? Just so. I got sick of seeing Marvel heroes talking at one another like they were teenaged boys. I bet anyone on this board could write dialogue that is truer to these characters than what we are given here.

I feel ya buddy!  I tried once more to read AvX recently but just couldn't get past issue 2.  It was all awful just for this very reason.  They can't talk to one another like adults?

Apparently that's not Badass and Awesome enough for today's readers.  Now everyone must be Badass and Awesome.  All the time!

Grrr! 

I'll have you all for breakfast!



Doctor Hmmm? said:

I was going to put this in the "What Are You Thinking Right Now" thread, but I realized I have to put in a whopping big SPOILER ALERT and I'm far too lazy for that.

So what I'm thinking right now is that maybe Nick Fury could be the Lieutenants Marvel of the Marvel Universe.  We could have Old Fury, Young Fury, Black Fury, 2-Eyed Fury, Mary Fury, etc., etc.

If they did that, I might actually give a rat's patoot what's happening in the 2014 Marvel Universe.  But probably not.

 

 

Somehow, I both do and do not want to see Mary Fury.

 

Also, don't forget Shooty the Fury Bunny.

Also, don't forget Shooty the Fury Bunny.

HAH!

I also forgot L'il Nicky Popnecker, the Fat Fury.

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