This is the place to record your reactions to the much-anticipated Batman/Flash crossover appearing in Batman 21-22 and Flash 21-22.

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Pretty sure she *is* from the future. When she was introduced in DC Rebirth, she was arrested for stealing a sandwich. Her explanation was that where she comes from, food is free. 

I imagine that hockey game murder does coincide with the history of this event somehow. Or it might be one of those details a historian might highlight to give a flavor of the times.

That said, whenever the Legion knows something in great detail about our era, I think about all I know of the day to day life in New Jersey in 1017. (Then again, as a time traveler, with possible access to time-viewing technology too, she'd likely be better informed on events she was heading back into.)

Flash #21:

Johnny Thunder and/or the Thunderbolt has something to do with all this? Will this result in the return of the JSA? I gather that the Rebirth universe doesn't have any JSA connections(?) as Barry doesn't associate his vision of the Helmet of Mercury with Jay Garrick.

During the trip on the cosmic treadmill it was interesting to see the vignettes of the JLA. Barry says "that's not how the Justice League formed" when, as far as I'm concerned, it is. Is the one showing Zatanna supposed to be from the infamous Identity Crisis miniseries, which I successfully avoided?

Is the handgun in the case supposed to be the one that kills Martha and Bruce Wayne in Flashpoint?

The cover below for Batman 22 is apparently definite. I hope the one for Flash 22 is.



Richard Willis said:

Flash #21:

Johnny Thunder and/or the Thunderbolt has something to do with all this? Will this result in the return of the JSA? I gather that the Rebirth universe doesn't have any JSA connections(?) as Barry doesn't associate his vision of the Helmet of Mercury with Jay Garrick.

During the trip on the cosmic treadmill it was interesting to see the vignettes of the JLA. Barry says "that's not how the Justice League formed" when, as far as I'm concerned, it is. Is the one showing Zatanna supposed to be from the infamous Identity Crisis miniseries, which I successfully avoided?

Is the handgun in the case supposed to be the one that kills Martha and Bruce Wayne in Flashpoint?

Johnny Thunder was last seen (in pretty much the same situation) in DC Rebirth Special, a/k/a "The night Wally returned." Pretty sure there's never been a mention of the JSA in Rebirth.

I get the feeling that the Zatanna scene was an Identity Crisis reference, too. The lines from the JLA's first meeting were verbatim from the comics, so I imagine if someone finds the line, "Ollie, think for a second!" that'll tell us exactly what they're seeing.

Yeah, I think that gun killed Martha and Bruce. But Flashpoint is kind of a blur for me.

One thing I noticed in this issue: Barry says his mother's murder was the first crime scene he ever saw, and "because of a lack of evidence, it was listed as a cold case."

a) That's not how cold cases work. Cold cases are older murders, worked as best they could by the cops, but then pushed aside in favor of a more recent crime with fresher leads. This might just be Barry's shorthand -- it had no evidence, so it wasn't solved, so it eventually was listed as a cold case.

b) But wasn't Barry's dad, Henry Allen, charged in the murder? He certainly had been in the New 52 -- there was a whole storyline where he was broken out of prison against his will. Was this something that Rebirth changed? I don't recall. I'd be happy if this was the case, but I don't remember that change being made. (Of course, for all I know, I made note of it a year ago and then forgot.) 

The line "Ollie, think for a second!" Is indeed from Identity Crisis. It's taken from the scene where Zatanna has frozen Batman in time and the League is deciding to mindwipe him. Ollie initially resists the idea before giving in.

Thanks, Tec!

Batman #22:

Thomas Wayne - - Eobard Thawne (again) - - Flashpoint, finally gone?

Thoughts?

I liked it. Although I would like to have seen Thomas Wayne hang around for a while. I think it was making for some pretty interesting character moments having father and son meet and work together. Especially liked Bruce knocking the gun out of his father's hand with a batarang.  They pulled the plug on that relationship way too soon as far as I'm concerned.  

In terms of the overall crossover it feels like the plot is going in circles a little bit. Hopefully it will wrap up with a bang. 

This one didn't grab me so much. I wasn't crazy about Flashpoint, so revisiting that world didn't do a whole lot for me. I like the implications of Batman getting to have a conversation with his father, though. 

Williamson wrote this one instead of King, which was also a disappointment. Williamson is fine, but I was looking forward to more of that King precision we saw int he first issue. 


And yeah, the plot is definitely circular, with Batman and Flash doubling back in time to before Flash arrived at the Batcave, to see what happened to Reverse Flash. Which I guess we'll ALL see in two (sigh) weeks.

Rats! Flash #22 is not scheduled next week, as you said.

I think it progressed the plot. I'm eager to read the conclusion. I hope we won't have to wait another year (!) to read what happens next.

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