What hath The Baron wrought?

With his "Baron Re-Reads the JSA" thread, he has inspired us all. Currently John Dunbar is writing a "Dunbar Re-Reads Thor" thread, which calls out for an accompanying "Avengers" thread, at least while Thor is part of that team. So here goes:

AVENGERS #1 (Sep 63)

"The Coming of The Avengers!"

Written by Stan Lee

Drawn by Jack Kirby

Inked by Dick Ayers

Lettered by Sam Rosen

What They're Up To: Ant-Man and The Wasp fight Trago, "The Man with the Magic Trumpet!", in Tales to Astonish #47. Iron Man stars in "The Icy Fingers of Jack Frost!" in Tales of Suspense #45. Thor battles the guy who will become Maha Yogi in "Mad Merlin!" in Journey into Mystery #96.

Synopsis: The story opens on the Isle of Silence in Asgard, where an exiled Loki plots revenge on Thor for his recent defeats at The Thunderer's hand (see Dunbar Re-Reads Thor). By means of "thought projection" Loki peeks in on Thor's civilian identity, Don Blake, doing good on Earth. But defeating Blake would be a "hollow victory" and only defeating Thor will make Loki happy. So he scours the Earth for a threat to force the Thunder God to respond -- and discovers the Hulk. "A huge human figure ... flying through the air! How is that possible?"

Determining that the figure is the Hulk -- apparently Loki keeps up with current events, and recognizes ol' Greenskin -- the Asgardian projects an illusion of TNT on a railroad track, so that the Hulk will accidentally destroy the track and be blamed for a train wreck. This "diabolical scheme" -- yes, Loki calls it that -- works, because even though the Hulk manages to save the train, word goes out that the Hulk is on a rampage.

Rick Jones, Hulk sidekick and leader of The Teen Brigade (formed in Incredible Hulk #6, May 63), decides that "if the Hulk is innocent, he needs help, fast! And if he's guilty, it'll take more than an army to stop 'im!" The solution: Call the Fantastic Four! But Loki diverts the call -- so that it comes out of Don Blake's radio! "Strange," muses Blake. "Sounds like a call for Thor!"

Of course it is! All radio messages that begin "Calling the Fantastic Four" are a call for Thor!

But others have received the message, too, probably because Loki is the God of Evil, not the God of Paying Attention to Detail. Ant-Man and the Wasp have somehow heard it, and Tony "Iron Man" Stark happened to be on the right frequency. The Fantastic Four actually got the message, too -- they're busy, but Reed says his "calculations" say the Teen Brigade will have company soon.

Mighty smart guy, that Reed Richards, because Thor, Iron Man, Ant-Man and Wasp show up at Teen Brigade HQ. "It would seem the gang's all here, eh, lads?" quips that the ever-urbane Tony Stark. But while everybody's doing "Wassup!" Loki projects another illusion in Thor's field of vision, of the Hulk bounding by. Thor gives chase, and when he determines it's an illusion, sees his half-brother's yellow-gauntleted hand in the matter. He hies himself off to Asgard, to give Loki such a noogie.

Undeterred by Thor's disappearance, Iron Man says they'll carry on, and Ant-Man's ants report an incredibly strong guy at a nearby circus. It's the Hulk, dressed as a clown! (Let me repeat that: It's the Hulk, dressed as a clown!) The circus owners think he's an incredibly powerful robot that they just happened to stumble across, because ... well, we can only assume they are as dumb as a bag of hammers.

Ant-Man attacks! He has ants dig a hole that the Hulk falls into! Oh, the indignity! He has ants drop a barrel on the Hulk! Oh,the irritation! Then The Wasp attacks, by flying around Hulk in an annoying fashion! Oh, the humanity! But Hulk prevails, by smashing, except for The Wasp, whom he defeats with a fireplace bellows, which happens to be lying there at the circus. (Well, he can't just smash a girl, can he? It's 1963!)

And in defense of The Wasp's battle tactics, she was actually trying to draw Hulk under a net, that Ant-Man's ants have set up. And it works, in that the Hulk gets under the net, and runs into it while trying to leap away. Of course, it barely slows him down, but hey, it's Ant-Man! What do you want, repulsor rays?

Speaking which, now it's Iron Man's turn! So the Hulk hits him in the chest! And then ... OK, then Iron Man falls down. "Can't go after him until I repair my battery," thinks Iron Man. But as the Hulk flees, Iron Man pleads with him, "Hulk ... wait! I want to help you! You can't remain a fugitive forever! Come back!!"

This is called foreshadowing.

Meanwhile, back in Asgard, Thor pleads with Odin to let him have a little chinwag with Loki. Odin approves but says he cannot interfere, as he loves both his sons equally. (Honestly, he may be the All-Father, but he'll never win Parent of the Year.) Anyway, so be it!

Thor takes a dragon-prowed skiff -- he IS a Viking, after all -- to the Isle of Silence. Loki attacks with animated trees, which Thor buzzes through by spinning his hammer like a buzzsaw. Loki attacks with "volcanic gas globules," which Thor avoids by diving underwater. He whips up a waterspout to carry  him to Loki, and he throws his hammer, which Loki deflects by freezing the air. But then Loki springs his REAL trap: Trolls! The "Silent Ones" for whom the island is named! One grabs Thor, and Loki crows that nothing can break the grip of a troll -- it the troll that gave rise to the "Old Man of the Sea" legend of Sinbad fame!

But as Thor is dragged underground, he pounds the handle of his hammer on the ground, summoning lightning, which blinds the underground-living troll. Loki uses multiple images to fool the Thunder God, who blows them all away by spinning his hammer. Then he uses his hammer to soak up "the magnetic currents that give life to the trolls below!' Which somehow magnetizes Loki to his hammer, and off they go to Earth, because Loki "has much to atone for!"

Meanwhile, Iron Man has chased Hulk to an auto factory -- I had no idea Detroit had a suburb in the Southwest, but whatever -- and throws tires at the Hulk. The Hulk fashions a metal bow and arrow, but Iron Man catches the arrow and turns it into a big grapple, and pins the Hulk! But the Hulk pushes through the wall! "I never expected that!" exclaims Iron Man, who evidently has not been paying attention.

But just as the Invincible One and the Incredible One are squaring off for another round -- Stark has decided the Hulk is too dangerous to run around loose -- Thor arrives with Loki, and rats his half-brother out. "Let me at 'im!" roars the Hulk, but Loki has one more ace up his sleeve -- he turns radioactive! (Which shouldn't bother the Hulk, but it does!)

Fortunately, Ant-Man orders some ants to open a convenient trap door under Loki, who slides down a convenient tunnel into a convenient lead-lined tank! Thor helpfully explains "This is where the trucks that carry radioactive wastes from atomic tests dump their loads for eventual disposal in the ocean!"

There are only four panels left, but you know what happens next. Ant-Man and Wasp suggest they team up in a regular fashion, and everybody decides that's a swell idea, even the Hulk, who is "sick of bein' hunted and hounded!" Hey, maybe Iron Man's speech did some good! Oh, and The Wasp suggests the name Avengers, even though it doesn't make much sense (who are they avenging?), but nobody argues with the cute chick, and a legend is born.


My ranking: 9/10.

OK, I admit that synopsis probably took longer to read than the comic book did. But I wanted to mention every salient element in this book, surely among the most important in the series, if not Marvel history.

There's a story going around that Avengers came to be because Bill Everett was really late on Daredevil #1, which was supposed to come out on Sep 63 instead. That apparently is true! It seems to arise from this Spring.Me post by Marvel uber-editor Tom Brevoort:

"Martin Goodman, Marvel's publisher at the time, was famous for flooding the market with anything that worked. So in early 1963, after the first bunch of Marvel super hero releases started to hit, he told Stan, 'Give me another Spider-Man and another Fantastic Four.' In other words, new characters who were very much like those characters, and would appeal to the same audience. So two books were started: X-Men, which was the Fantastic Four-style book (and even says so on the first two covers) with a team of heroes in identical blue costumes fighting a guy who resembles Doctor Doom on the cover; and Daredevil, which was the Spider-Man book (and says so on the first cover as well), the quippy urban adventurer. Now, Stan was smart enough to do more with these characters and concepts that simply knocking off his earlier characters, but that's where they started. But Bill Everett, with whom Stan co-created Daredevil, had both a day job and a drinking problem. And so production on DAREDEVIL #1 fell way behind. In those days, you booked print time way ahead of time -- and if your book wasn't ready, you paid for the printing time anyway. So it was vital to get something to press on time. But Bill Everett was a favorite of Martin Goodman, stemming back to the '40s when he created the Sub-Mariner. Regardless, there was suddenly a hole in the schedule, with no book where a book should be. In trying to solve this problem, Stan hit on the notion of doing a strip that brought all of the heroes together JLA style -- that would be a book that wouldn't require any ramp-up time, because the characters (and even the villain) all existed already. So he and Jack Kirby brainstormed the first issue, Kirby drew it up hastily, Dick Ayers inked it in what looks like no time flat, and it came out the same month as X-MEN #1. (DAREDEVIL #1 followed around six months later -- with Steve Ditko pitching in to help finish it up, and with a different artist on it beginning with #2.)"

How about that? I've been reading Avengers for 51 years, and didn't know that until this month.

But even though it appears Avengers was thrown together at the last minute, I have to give it high marks for being a blisteringly paced action story that nevertheless worked in tons of exposition about the nascent Marvel Universe and a lot of personality bits.

On personality:

* We see Rick Jones' loyalty to the Hulk.

* We see Wasp making flighty comments about everyone, from "dreamy" Thor  to "hideous" Iron Man.

* We see Ant-Man being a tightass.

* We see Reed Richards being really smart.

* We see Thing be cranky, and Sue scold him.

* Loki could kill Blake any time, but wants to fight -- and beat -- Thor at full power.

Great fun! As to powers:

* Thor makes sure we know he can't fly, but instead follows Hulk " ... by hurling my mighty hammer and holding onto its unbreakable thong!"

* Thor using Mjolnir to gather magnetic currents is the New Hammer Power for this issue.

* We see Tony Stark lounging in his chestplate .. because he can't take it off. We also see that Iron Man can't battle if his "battery" is damaged. (Say, maybe this guy isn't really invincible!)

* We see Ant-Man's mode of travel, and a myriad use of ants. We did NOT see him at full size, which is odd, but I guess we'll more than make up for that next issue!

Other observations:

* No matter how hard Lee works at it, Ant-Man is fundamentally superfluous in this issue. His attacks are weak, and his strategies usually require tremendous coincidence to function, although they fail anyway. I'm guessing it was Lee struggling through this issue that made him re-think this whole Ant-Man business, resulting in Giant-Man (with the next issue).

* Iron Man may be strong, but he's really vulnerable. I mean, punch him in the chest and he goes down.

* In fact, none of them are a match for the Hulk, individually or together. That, like Ant-Man's uselessness, becomes apparent pretty early on, as all they're doing is slowing the Hulk down as he tries to run away. God help them if he turns to fight.

* It's conventional wisdom that Stan Lee thought the perfect number for a team was four, and this grouping of Avengers is pretty much four. Yes, there's The Wasp, but she's written as a flighty ornament -- at best, a distraction for the bad guy while the menfolk figure out a plan. This is really a four-man -- and I emphasize "man" -- team. This is before women's lib, after all, and is written by a guy who grew up in the '40s.

* We have never seen trolls like the ones here, or powers like the ones they exhibit here, and we never will again.

Now for some speculation.

Why these four guys? Well, for one thing, they were pretty much the bulk of the Marvel Universe in September, 1963. The X-Men came out the same month, so none of them were available, even if Stan was inclined to use one (which I doubt). Dr. Strange had debuted the month before, but in a throwaway five-pager in the back of Strange Tales -- not a world-beater yet. The presumed break-out star of the Fantastic Four already had a solo series, so the Human Torch (and the rest of his team) were out. Stan Lee has consistently said for 50 years that he was afraid to put Spider-Man in the Avengers, for fear it would ruin his cool "outsider" status -- and I believe him.

Outside of those characters, the only headliners left were Thor, Iron Man and Ant-Man.

So why the Hulk? Lee says in various books that it was to cause friction in the group, to put in a testy guy as a story launcher. That may be true. But I also think it was to give Hulk a regular spotlight after losing his book, because Lee had faith in him ... and because *I think* Lee was peeved that Martin Goodman had canceled Incredible Hulk to make room for a Two-Gun Kid revival. That last part is pure speculation on my part, but if I were Lee I'd have been peeved, and determined to make the Hulk a success. Your mileage may vary.

In summary, I give this book high marks because it is a great example of what was so cool about Marvel in the early '60s. Lots of action. Lots of personality. The story racing along so breathlessly that you don't have time to stop and notice the flaws. Plus, everybody not getting along. I mean, the bulk of the book is Hulk vs. the rest of the team! Can you imagine, for example, the Justice League forming because everyone ganged up on Martian Manhunter, while Superman fought solo with Lex Luthor on another planet? That sort of thing just wasn't done at Silver Age DC, but Lee & Kirby plowed through a dozen comic-book writer's "thou shalt nots" with this one issue, and it was great fun.

Then and now, Avengers #1 is a hoot!

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Yes in Avengers #116 after he was shot and seriously wounded by a guy living in a Nazi castle in Argentina!

The injury got infected and hampered him for almost a year (comic book time).

Yep, and by the time the Swordsman physical wound had healed he was seriously psychologically wounded by Mantis.  Poor sap. Of course, right off the bat in Avengers #20, he's shown to have some serious mental issues, believing the Avengers "would have to be fools to reject" him.  Maybe he thought, "hey, they accepted Hawkeye and those other super-villains, why not me?!!"  This storyline was a bit of a variation of Wonderman's intro just 10 issues earlier.

Now that I think about it, seems the Avengers must have had some clout to get the Swordsman out of a Bolivian prison as rather than seeing it as a case of him defending himself from the guy who shot him, they might have taken it as the Swordsman getting shot while trying to steal something from the guy and then murdering him and never mind that Valkyrie took off with it afterwards.  But the law was a bit funny in the Silver & Bronze Ages of the Marvel Universe, where supervillains often got to wear their costumes in prison and got their weapons back when they were let back loose.


 "Vengeance is Ours!"

Wham-type script by STAN LEE

Pow-type pencilling by DON HECK

Zowie-type inking by WALLACE WOOD

Rather nice lettering by ARTIE SIMEK

Cover by Jack Kirby and Wally Wood


Thor gets his hammer repaired at a steel plant in Pittsburgh, returns the Rune Stones from the Trial of the Gods to Odin, discovers that Jane Foster is missing and goes to enlist the help of the Avengers only to discover that the old order hath changed, and there are newer, brasher Avengers who rub Thor the wrong way, in Journey Into Mystery # 120.

Iron Man receives a challenge from behind the Iron Curtain to fight the Titanium Man, and during WW II, Captain America attempts to rescue Bucky, who is a prisoner of the Nazis and British traitor Cedric Rawlings at Greymoor Castle, in Tales of Suspense # 69.

The Hulk is chased and then cornered by General Ross and the army.  All looks lost until the Leader offers him an escape - but only if the Hulk agrees to serve him, in Tales to Astonish # 71.

Giant-Man and the Wasp do not make any appearances this month.


Hawkeye, Quicksilver, and the Scarlet Witch realize Cap has jumped off the plank to save them from surrendering to the Swordsman, and now they have to save him.  Pietro runs in a circle to create a vortex under Cap to slow his fall, and Hawkeye fires an arrow to free Cap's bound hands.  Wanda uses her hex power to cause a girder to drop below Cap, and he lands on it safely, and then Pietro returns Cap's shield to him.  The Swordsman watches all this unfold and thinks that individually each Avenger is dangerous, but as a team, they're practically unbeatable.  He tries to escape but soon finds himself surrounded.  Just then, he starts to vanish, but he is just as surprised as the Avengers are at this.  After a bit of bickering over the Swordsman escaping, the Avengers return to their headquarters.

The Avengers are unaware that all of this was observed by someone in a castle, half a world away.  This person is now watching the Swordsman, who has materialized there.  It turns out to be Iron Man's old enemy, the Mandarin.  He informs the Swordsman that he intends to destroy the Avengers by using him as his agent to infiltrate the team.  He wants him to be there when Iron Man rejoins the team, so he can smash him from within.  He demands the Swordsman give him his sword so he can make it a more potent weapon.  The Swordsman balks at working for him, but the Mandarin tells him he doesn't have a choice.  Using his rings, he wrests the sword away, and then the Swordsman tries to attack him.  The Mandarin activates another of his rings, and the energy bolt he releases from it holds the Swordsman helplessly in place.

At Avengers Mansion, Cap offers the rest of the team an opportunity to air their complaints about his leadership.  Hawkeye challenges him, feeling he is the best one to lead the team.  This angers Pietro, and they start arguing over who is better suited to be team leader.  Cap hangs back, thinking it will be good to for them to get their frustrations out.  Hawkeye brags himself up, saying Pietro can't even outrace his fastest arrow.  They have a race, which Pietro wins convincingly.

Back in Asia, realizing the Mandarin is more formidable than he thought, the Swordsman agrees to work for him.  The Mandarin shows him that he has made modifications to his sword, equipping it with new weapons.  He warns the Swordsman if he ever attempts to attack him with it, the sword will backfire.  Next, he explains his plan - the Swordsman will return to the Avengers and will be accepted into the group.  When asked how that would be possible, the Mandarin produces a pseudo-image of Iron Man, under his control, which will be speaking the Mandarin's words.  The image shows up at Avengers Mansion, and fools the team into thinking they are talking to the real Iron Man.  "Iron Man" says he has a message for them, to accept Swordsman into their ranks and adds that he personally sent him to join the team.  He claims that the Swordsman tried to prove himself, and the Avengers misunderstood things.  Hawkeye argues that Iron Man shouldn't have a say, and "he" retorts that if the Avengers hadn't relaxed their standards, Hawkeye wouldn't have been able to join.  Cap says that Iron Man's word is good enough for him.  The Mandarin transports the Swordsman back to New York, where he is indeed admitted to the team.  Later, Cap asks The Swordsman what his connection is with Iron Man, and the newcomer avoids the question, leaving Cap suspicious and vowing to keep an eye on him.

The other Avengers stay close to the Swordsman in the days that follow, but he does manage to plant a bomb in the mansion that the Mandarin can detonate whenever Iron Man returns.  The Swordsman finds himself wishing he could save the Scarlet Witch, thinking that she is too beautiful to be harmed.  Later that night, an image of the Mandarin appears in the Swordsman's bedroom.  He tells him that he has changed plans, he will detonate the bomb that night, and when Iron Man comes to investigate, they will trap him.  The Swordsman objects to the plan but the Mandarin ignores him.  He decides he cannot be a part of it, as the Avengers would not have a fighting chance; he won't stoop to assassination.  He attempts to deactivate the bomb, but the Avengers arrive and believe he is planting the bomb just then.  He tries to explain but they won't listen and he decides he has to fight them, as they were always fated to be foes.  Even with the new weapons in his sword, the teamwork of the Avengers proves to be too much.  He escapes when Wanda's hex power goes a little wonky; she sets off the sprinklers in the Mansion to try to trap him but she overdid it and created a cloud of steam.  The Swordsman gets away and moments later the Avengers hear the bomb go off.  However, the Swordsman is unhurt - he realized the bomb was about to detonate, and he threw it into the air, avoiding injury.  He realizes that the Avengers will be out to get him, and so will the Mandarin.  He is regretful, thinking that there is something about being an Avenger, even a bogus one, that gets into your blood.  Meanwhile, back in Asia, an infuriated Mandarin vows to never again use a partner, and that he will destroy the Swordsman for betraying him.


Last time out, I called Avengers # 19 "the first great issue of the Cap's Kooky Quartet era".  This one is even better.  It kicks off with a great cover - highlighting last issue's cliffhanger, which really grabs the reader.  I have to say having Wally Wood inking Jack Kirby's cover really makes it look sharp.  Likewise, Wood inking Don Heck's pencils on the interiors is an excellent combination.  This may be the best that Heck's art has looked.

The solution to the cliffhanger is brilliant.  The Kooky Quartet can't touch the original team in terms of raw power - you could argue that they can't touch the FF or the X-Men either - but the key to this team of Avengers is teamwork.  Cap risked his life on a hunch, that these barely battle tested youngsters could think on their feet and work together quickly enough to save him.  It's a tribute to Cap and the lessons he's already instilled in Hawkeye, Wanda, and Pietro that they pull it off.

While I wouldn't be sad to see the bickering go away (it's getting a bit overdone at this point, in my opinion), I thought the sequence of Hawkeye and Pietro arguing over who would be the better leader was done well, especially the resolution with fastest arrow versus Quicksilver's speed.  I like Hawkeye quite a bit but he needed to be taken down a peg.

The Swordsman continues to be a delusional fool.  Even after the Mandarin clearly demonstrates that the Swordsman is way out of his league when you compare both villains, the Swordsman continues to prattle on about how he'll play along as long as he feels like it.  The Mandarin just needs a pawn in his plan to kill Iron Man, and the Swordsman doesn't even realize that a pawn is all he is until it's too late.  When the Mandarin changes his plans and decides to kill the Avengers, the Swordsman's objections are pitiful and completely ignored.  He tries to tell himself he won't "stoop to assassination" but this is the same guy who coldly left Hawkeye for dead as a kid.  In my opinion, the Swordsman got cold feet about helping kill off the Avengers because he was smitten with Wanda, and there was nothing noble about his change of heart.

I found it a bit puzzling that there was no follow-up to Hawkeye's revelations from last issue about his connection with the Swordsman, other than the throwaway line "You always were good at talking your way out of things!"  There's nothing to indicate Hawkeye revealed who he was to the Swordsman and the tension that would have resulted from their history.

I found the ending a bit weak for two reasons.  First, I have a hard time buying that the Swordsman was unscathed from the bomb exploding when all he did was throw it in the air.  It must have been a powerful bomb if it was capable of killing the Avengers.  I think a better solution would have been the Swordsman using one of the upgrades the Mandarin made to his sword to render the bomb inert.  The other problem I had was I'm not sure why the Mandarin didn't just snatch the Swordsman just like he did earlier in the issue and return him to his castle, and kill him.  To me, there's no plausible way the Mandarin can't kill the Swordsman any time he wishes, just based on what we have already seen in this story.

The narration at the end seemed to indicate that the Swordsman's story was far from over and would continue to appear in the series.  I think Stan may have had the redemption in mind that the Swordsman eventually got in the 1970's.  His future appearances in Avengers and other titles for the next few years usually had him in the role of flunky.  But the seeds of how the character would be used by Steve Englehart were definitely sown here.


The 66 cartoon has him explain what was going on to Cap then leave, and Cap suggests someday he might come back and join for real. Neither Stan nor Roy used this idea, but maybe Steve came across this back then. But you're right. Except for Cap the Avengers are all former crooks, and Hawkeye had tried several times to kill Iron Man. And of course their one almost previous member, Wonder Man, was also a crook at first. Wonder if Stan was thinking about new members, but for whatever reason, Simon Williams didn't make it back then either.

The story I heard was that DC or National at the time wouldn't have allowed a character named Wonder Man to be used regularly as a hero. I'm surprised that they let them get away with Super Skrull.

Only when DC introduced Power Girl after Marvel renamed Luke Cage Power Man did Marvel bring back Wonder Man for good.

As for Avengers #20, the whole "Let's believe an image of Iron Man with no password or verification" always vexed me. For Cap to buy the battle they just had as a misunderstanding makes no sense! If the real Iron Man wanted to nominate a new member, certainly there must have been protocols in place for them!

People always forget that Quicksilver was a nice guy during his first run on the team. Marvel pushed him on several covers of The Avengers, The X-Men and even Amazing Spider-Man! It felt like they were just about to give him his own feature or book but then they backed off!

I'd be surprised if Lee ever seriously considered giving Quicksilver a solo series.  There's just not anything about Pietro's character that suggests he had great potential as the star of his own series.

I agree with John about Swordsman's misgivings on killing the Avengers being more due to his attraction to Wanda rather than sudden moral qualms.  Even as a kid reading this story for the 1st time (via the MTA reprint) I also found it ridiculous that Cap would just take the word of an image of Iron Man without getting some more valid form of confirmation or deciding, "wait a minute, something like this needs the vote of more than just one member and a currently non-active member of the team at that!"  Ah, well, other than that, a very good story and Englehart certainly found much to build on from this two-parter in actually redeeming the character about 8 years later.

Back in those early days giving Quicksilver his own series would have led to DC saying they were ripping off Flash.

Except that he got his debut by saving the others from the Grim Reaper, you have to wonder just what Cap told the Panther to help him get in. Showing up out of nowhere and saying a former member asked you to join the group is about the worst way to sign up.

Presumably Cap contacted someone in the Avengers before T'Challa arrived and just his bad luck he arrived just after the Grim Reaper appeared to have killed his pending new teammates.  Of course, since at the time the active-duty Avengers had been reduced to Hawkeye, Goliath and the Wasp, they might have genuinely been inclined to give Forbush Man a shot if he showed up on their doorstep asking for an application.

Yeah, with that lineup, anyone who wanted to join should have been ushered in.  They needed warm bodies,  Reminds me of when I worked at a grocery store and we were short-handed, one of the assistant managers said "we can't be choosy, what we need right now is two feet and a heartbeat".

I would have been okay if they had kicked out Hawkeye and just kept the Avengers as Hank and Mrs. Pym.


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