I have been thinking about posting this ~ now these ~ subjects for a long time and now , reading Tenessee Williams' A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE , I am inspired to put - a bifurciated version of it - up...........
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...In ASND , at the beginning of Scene Four , the stage directions describe Stella , early-morning , in her bed , " One hand - on her belly...From The Other Dangles A Book Of Colored Comics " ! , emphasis mine !!!
...a bunch of quotes/citations of " real "/" quality "/" mainstream " writing materials' references to comics and use of comics/whatever ( Cartoons/pulps/fantasy/genre ) imagery , characters working in the business or being fans - whatever !
Also , " real " media ( If that can be said to exist anymore . ) stories about that !
Okay , given my streching the initial part over three entries , I might as well save the next for an " Act Four "...........
...I'm a lil' fixated on the late 40s now plus I mentioned this when I started a similar thread at The Board I Used To Use...........A late-40s novel by the American novelist Dawn Powell , THE LOCUSTS HAVE NO KING (Oh , I suppose this entire thread may spoil , UNLESS said otherwise at the beginning of an individual one ? Or is that a little too complicated to carry off ?) is set in the contemporary New York City aspiring literary-theatrical-journalistic world .
The hero/main character , at the end of the novel , has accepted a post editing a comics/gags/jokes/oddball stories magazine - The names of Al Capp and Milt Gross ,or Milton Caniff?? - are dropped as cartoonists he might approach for contributions - a descrbed as vulgar/tacky cartoons-and-stuff magazine , not a coventional " comic book " as we would define it here , and the arc/context of the story clearly points to the authorial intent/opinion being that the hero has sold out - Or , accepting his failure/mediocrity , fallen to his real level .
...To finish off the Forties and fairly brief/en passim references for now (Which kind of illustrate the place of comics in the general culture of the time , however , comic BOOKS specifically a pretty new thing.) , in Truman Capote's OTHER VOICES , OTHER ROOMS IIRC the pre-teen protagonist , gone up-country from New Orleans to his family's native little Southern town , misses " the funny papers " and Saturday afternoon serials - I believe a " fake " name for a serial hero character is used , " The Masked Avenger " or something similar . - now that he is in the sticks .
...Reading the 1950s novel THE MAN IN THE GREY FLANNEL SUIT , at one point , we get a background/character description of a secondary character , the big business tycoon whom TMITGFS is working for .
The action is in 1953 .
We are told by the narrator about how the rich guy ( TMING...etc.'in the paragraph is a commtee " exploring " (direct quote now ) " a Code of Decency for Comic Books " :-) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...To-day's San Francisco Chronicle/SF Gate has an interesting article about Gary Arlington...It appears that it won't go on-line 'til about 5-6 AM Captain-time Wednesday , howevs !!!!!!!!!!!
...Well , mebbe pop-culture refs. a little less " elitist " than " real " books will get more eyeballs ????:-)
I saw a LAW AND ORDER re-run episode on TNT yesterday that (this is not a spoiler) had the vic who was kilt , furthermore , have a bunch of rare comic books stolen from his house , to heighten the insult !
In the plot , we were told that said vic had gone partners with a friend of his on those comics because these comics books were supposed to go up in value , but in fact , they went down in value - But , later on in the episode , it was revealed that this was untrue , that the CBs had gone up in value .
We were told that they were " All-American " comics that he collected , with actual A-A characters' names' dropped , plus a non-existent super-hero , similar but not the same to " Dr. Strangelove " , like that . We also had a gag about " the Gay Ghost - gay as in merry " , said twice - I missed a few moments and it was a presumably edited cable re-run , perhaps the original network version gave that line a third exposure ??? ( Yes . I know . The Gay Ghost was an All-American , not National side of DC , character . )
We also saw covers to non-existent comic books , in the comics shop where the L&H cops did their research , of a non-existent SH character - and another non-existent comic book's cover , shown in CGC packaging , in a courtroom scene .
A couple years back I saw an L&H episode where the plot had a Manson-like " kill cult criminal mastermind " directing his followers from behind bars and th plot had a graphic novel based upon the actions/ideas of the cult followers being produced & we saw a couple pages of the non-existent gn on-screen !
Actually , " comic art for non-existent comics " has figured in a lot of movies , going at least back to Norman Mauer drawing " Bat Lady " pages in Frank Tashlin's Eisenhower ___ Wertham ! ___ -era ARTISTS AND MODELS .
..I was just thinking of the Gary Arlington article , and I see , now , that I DID post about it - though not TO it (Um , the SF Chronicle sort of tends towards " the new Tom Wolfe novel-length " endless URLs that REALLY , really , really , strain my somewhat limited computer time & skills??)
...A story by Steven Millhauser in the December 10th THE NEW YORKER is titled " A Voice In The Night " .
Not spoiling , it deals with a modern-day elderly man , who , insommniac , remembers his post-World War II childhood , flashing back to one particular corner-turning occurence , cutting back and forth between the present century and the postwar time - And , in remembering popular culture exposure he has as that child , a reference is made to (probably not an exact quote) " his father , nose in a Scrooge McDuck comic , praising the diving board into the bin " !
Millhauser decades ago wrote a novel called EDWIN MULLHOUSE , which really made use of that-era comics and cartoons refernces/parody .
Chabon's Pulitzer-Prize-winning The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay has references galore, of course, but it's set in the comic-book industry.
Budge Wilson's short story "Lysandra's Poem," set in the 1950s, has the narrator, when she is a young teen, reading a "crime comic."
The oddball protagonist of A Confederacy of Dunces despises modern culture, but he respects the morality of Batman, and recommends reading "select comics" to understand our age.
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...In ASND , at the beginning of Scene Four , the stage directions describe Stella , early-morning , in her bed , " One hand - on her belly...From The Other Dangles A Book Of Colored Comics " ! , emphasis mine !!!
Okay , this will start off...........
...a bunch of quotes/citations of " real "/" quality "/" mainstream " writing materials' references to comics and use of comics/whatever ( Cartoons/pulps/fantasy/genre ) imagery , characters working in the business or being fans - whatever !
Also , " real " media ( If that can be said to exist anymore . ) stories about that !
Okay , given my streching the initial part over three entries , I might as well save the next for an " Act Four "...........
...I'm a lil' fixated on the late 40s now plus I mentioned this when I started a similar thread at The Board I Used To Use...........A late-40s novel by the American novelist Dawn Powell , THE LOCUSTS HAVE NO KING (Oh , I suppose this entire thread may spoil , UNLESS said otherwise at the beginning of an individual one ? Or is that a little too complicated to carry off ?) is set in the contemporary New York City aspiring literary-theatrical-journalistic world .
The hero/main character , at the end of the novel , has accepted a post editing a comics/gags/jokes/oddball stories magazine - The names of Al Capp and Milt Gross ,or Milton Caniff?? - are dropped as cartoonists he might approach for contributions - a descrbed as vulgar/tacky cartoons-and-stuff magazine , not a coventional " comic book " as we would define it here , and the arc/context of the story clearly points to the authorial intent/opinion being that the hero has sold out - Or , accepting his failure/mediocrity , fallen to his real level .
...Reading the 1950s novel THE MAN IN THE GREY FLANNEL SUIT , at one point , we get a background/character description of a secondary character , the big business tycoon whom TMITGFS is working for .
The action is in 1953 .
We are told by the narrator about how the rich guy ( TMING...etc.'in the paragraph is a commtee " exploring " (direct quote now ) " a Code of Decency for Comic Books " :-) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...To-day's San Francisco Chronicle/SF Gate has an interesting article about Gary Arlington...It appears that it won't go on-line 'til about 5-6 AM Captain-time Wednesday , howevs !!!!!!!!!!!
Anyhow:
www.sfgate.com
...Well , mebbe pop-culture refs. a little less " elitist " than " real " books will get more eyeballs ????:-)
I saw a LAW AND ORDER re-run episode on TNT yesterday that (this is not a spoiler) had the vic who was kilt , furthermore , have a bunch of rare comic books stolen from his house , to heighten the insult !
In the plot , we were told that said vic had gone partners with a friend of his on those comics because these comics books were supposed to go up in value , but in fact , they went down in value - But , later on in the episode , it was revealed that this was untrue , that the CBs had gone up in value .
We were told that they were " All-American " comics that he collected , with actual A-A characters' names' dropped , plus a non-existent super-hero , similar but not the same to " Dr. Strangelove " , like that . We also had a gag about " the Gay Ghost - gay as in merry " , said twice - I missed a few moments and it was a presumably edited cable re-run , perhaps the original network version gave that line a third exposure ??? ( Yes . I know . The Gay Ghost was an All-American , not National side of DC , character . )
We also saw covers to non-existent comic books , in the comics shop where the L&H cops did their research , of a non-existent SH character - and another non-existent comic book's cover , shown in CGC packaging , in a courtroom scene .
A couple years back I saw an L&H episode where the plot had a Manson-like " kill cult criminal mastermind " directing his followers from behind bars and th plot had a graphic novel based upon the actions/ideas of the cult followers being produced & we saw a couple pages of the non-existent gn on-screen !
Actually , " comic art for non-existent comics " has figured in a lot of movies , going at least back to Norman Mauer drawing " Bat Lady " pages in Frank Tashlin's Eisenhower ___ Wertham ! ___ -era ARTISTS AND MODELS .
..I was just thinking of the Gary Arlington article , and I see , now , that I DID post about it - though not TO it (Um , the SF Chronicle sort of tends towards " the new Tom Wolfe novel-length " endless URLs that REALLY , really , really , strain my somewhat limited computer time & skills??)
...A story by Steven Millhauser in the December 10th THE NEW YORKER is titled " A Voice In The Night " .
Not spoiling , it deals with a modern-day elderly man , who , insommniac , remembers his post-World War II childhood , flashing back to one particular corner-turning occurence , cutting back and forth between the present century and the postwar time - And , in remembering popular culture exposure he has as that child , a reference is made to (probably not an exact quote) " his father , nose in a Scrooge McDuck comic , praising the diving board into the bin " !
Millhauser decades ago wrote a novel called EDWIN MULLHOUSE , which really made use of that-era comics and cartoons refernces/parody .
Chabon's Pulitzer-Prize-winning The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay has references galore, of course, but it's set in the comic-book industry.
Budge Wilson's short story "Lysandra's Poem," set in the 1950s, has the narrator, when she is a young teen, reading a "crime comic."
The oddball protagonist of A Confederacy of Dunces despises modern culture, but he respects the morality of Batman, and recommends reading "select comics" to understand our age.
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