I bought the DCNU HAWK & DOVE title , and have put it on my pull list .
Might there be cause for optimism that a new title might lead to a collection of the 60s-and-at-least-relevant-70s original THE HAWK AND THE DOVE ?
If so , please do NOT do " an artist-centered collection " , I want the STORY , even though I love Ditko , and though the later stories are not by Sturdy Stevie .
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The first issue finds Hank - Hawk - living with his father , who I don't recall being referred to since the original series petered out with a kidnapping-of-their-father storyline which was never resolved . He remembers the original H&D's origin...and Dove's death during Crisis .
...This points out to me that MSA's ( Or did he quote someone ? ) comment that only two?? characters who were killed in Crisis ever stayed dead can have a third added to it , Hank Hall , the original Dove .
On the 1st page a techno-terrorist is announcing his attempt to break through the present political logjam/stalemate ( He is referred to as having created a sensation upon the Internet . ) - by sending a plane full of techno-zombies to blow up the Washington Monument !
H&D work with this , and stop it , to the extent that the WM only has a large portion chipped off of it , as Dove - who is the , IIRC , female Dove the late-80s series was about - stteeerrrssssss it away in the nick of time to not create total destruction .
Damage control , I believe they call it . H&D then meant a Washington , D.C. PD man who will presumably be their foil in this series .
Hawk is then back , in civvies , with his father , where he recalls the original H&D's origin and Don's death
..." Ooper , oops , of course Don Hall was the original Dove . I sowwy .
Continuing , Hank wonderes where the female Dove came from , and why she linked with him .
We then cut to Dove with Deadman , who talk about Dove II's relationship/connection with Don - and that she must not tell Hank .
Then , at the end , a surviving astro-zombie turns up and a Hawk-like presumed villian turns up .
...Ooooohh , fiddle dee dee/fap , I am typing somewhere where my typing periods are quite short , and my first attempt at this installment was cut off , basically at the finish , by the time limitastions...Anyhow , that allows me to explain that I am not cutting this into as many installments as this simply because I like to fill up the left column .
Dove appearas to be really young as Hank , probably under twenty-five ( He wonders whether to go back to Georgetown . ) , even twenty-one .
When the last BIRDS OF PREY re-launch started , I bought ( As it turned out . ) just the first issue and wanted to say that I found Hawk's characterization there of interest , perhaps I saw an implication that he was an older man in a younger man's body ( Super-powers even aside . ) and not totally happy about it , realizing he should be a sixty-something alumni of the Young Americans for Freedom era driving an SUV but...Now , in this one , I suppose it probably not co-incidental that Gates' story explicitly references the " one side/other side "perceived social/political divide of the Tea Party/Dittohead vs. MoveOnOrg/Obama era , after all the original one...
Maybe I do tend to be a little overly likely to wish for " retro " characers/settings , after I all I called for Jason Bard in BATGIRL...But still...
...Is Rob Liefeld the Bob Brown/Don Heck/Jack Sparling of contemporary comics , the one whom " everybody hates " ?
Of course , those preceding gentlemen never went through a " hot " period , when they were WIZARD stars and heads of their own company/firm .
Are som Lie-feilding away'ers perhaps embarassed by their memory of all the copies of a previous Lifeld they bough and held under the bed ???
Well , I'm just askin' . :-)
"Is Rob Liefeld the Bob Brown/Don Heck/Jack Sparling of contemporary comics , the one whom " everybody hates " ?"
Rob Liefeld never had one-tenth the drawing skills or storytelling abilities of Brown, Heck and Sparling.
I just bought this issue yesterday. I'm actually a big-time Hawk & Dove fan. The best stories were those by the duo of Karl and Barbara Kesel in the 20-some issue series from the late 1980s. That's the series that followed the Liefeld limited series. (I believe they wrote that too.)
The villain you spot at the end is likely Kestrel, a creation similar to Hawk & Dove. If I remember my lore correctly, he was the Lords of Chaos' first attempt at creating an avatar. They didn't much like how it worked out, so they teamed with the Lords of Order to build the co-dependent Hawk & Dove duo.
As for the 2011 comic, I must say that most of all ... above anything else in the book ... I am tickled pink that Hawk is back among the land of the living and his time as Monarch appears to be wiped out. YAY!
Beyond that, I liked the issue. It set the book up nicely enough, and I'm eager to see how many people Hawk can offend through the life of the series.
Sadly, I fear the title is doomed to fail just because of the mass disdain that most comic fandom holds for Rob Liefeld. He's driven away far more potential readers than he's brought in. (And yes, word is Rob Liefeld is a great guy. But that don't sell funny books.)
I can only hope that DC gets its head screwed on right and moves him out of the way. Throw someone like Kevin Maguire on the book and it will explode in popularity.
...Yeah , I assumed that the Monarch period has been forgotten/Flashpointed over , at least for now?? , likewise that new H&D from the late Nineties .
The comic was mebbe printed in a little too gray a color palette/selection/manner - Of course , that's my complaint of many comics these days . IIRC , Rob's Teen Titans two-issue are ( which I bought ) was printed that way too .
Rob's generally?? self-co??-written stuff for non-Two companies tends to be printed more brightly , I recall .
Inevitable comment - A comics shop owner with whom I discussed this book in advance , whose store had a promo poster up for Liefeld's new Image title said " I bet Lifeld will start being late after the second issue - what , the first issue !!!!!!!!!!! " , or similar .
O Captain , my Captain , the screen's light bright it shines, the padody generator shuts down now...Not only is a review of this particular 52 up , I even got RESPONSES !...
The point I made was that only two heroes died in the Crisis and were never revived in name or person: Tula the Aquagirl and Prince Ra-Man, although both may have been revived by now. My DC collection has a few holes.
Obviously, Kara Zor-El and Barry Allen and many others died, but their costumes or names were appropriated; in fact, Crisis was designed to eliminate them while passing on their names and costumes. Equally obviously, they both got better.
So let's salute Tula and Prince Ra-Man! I can't state they're still dead--we're several Earths removed from where they died--but they may have set a record for longest-dead SA characters ever!
-- MSA
Do recurring supporting characters count? If so, there's Nor-Kann (unless a post-Crisis version has been introduced some time; but if none has, he hasn't been in continuity since Crisis either).
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