This is a post to continue the Fantastic Four discussion that has continued to develop in the thread earmarked for discussion on Multiversity. Have at it! I'm interested in reading the rest of it.
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As am I! I just signed up for Marvel Unlimited, and the first thing on my agenda is to finish reading Hickman's FF -- I left off when Johnny died, so I've got 20-some issues of FF and another dozen or so of Fantastic Four left to go.
It's my recollection, too, that Valeria is named after Doom's mother, since he saved Sue and Val during the difficult birth. I think their relationship -- which essentially brings Doom into the family, albeit on the outskirts -- is a fascinating wrinkle in modern FF stories.
Doesn't Doom currently have custody of Val while Reed is with the Illuminati?
He did, but Valeria left recently. Presumably she's on her way back to Reed and Sue, but I don't think they've connected yet.
Mark S. Ogilvie said:
It's so hard to think well of Reed these days, an inverted Doom might be better for her. I haven't really done much but scanned the issues though, I really don't want to see SHIELD experiment on Franklin.
Looking up the latest issues online it appears Sue fought Doom for her, nearly destroying Latveria in the process, then left because Val refused to go with her, and apparently Malice (how'd she come back?) was manipulating Sue. No idea why she wants to stay with Doom. Does he encourage her to be a brat or somethiing? Why would he get custody? That would be like Mary Jane asking Norman Osborn to take care Mayday.
So now Marvel's got an evil two year old that's plotting against her family? Really sinking low when you rip off Family Guy. The way things are going with the FF maybe it's best if they do retire the characters before Marvel does even worse things to them. A description of the most recent issue says: "Valeria comes back to America. But whose side is she on?"
And why did somebody think having both Torches in the same series was a good idea?
Valeria isn't evil, but she's been extremely disconcerted by the actions of her father recently. With Doom, amazingly enough, she had Victor actually doing good things for the Latverians and some others I believe. This was prior to the inversion. And yes, Doom was plotting, but still, they did manage to do some good.
Wouldn't the Inversion just turn Reed (and Tony Stark) good?
Well, from all I can see from TPTB at Marvel, Tony is just plain evil period. Reed is questionable, although he's made some really poor decisions. Of course, I'm not following everything that's going on in 616, so I can't tell you one way or the other. All I know is that Tony is currently twirling his mustache and going "BWA-HA-HA!" a lot.
Ron M. said:
Sounds like the whole inversion idea is an excuse to permit their heroes to act evil whenever a writer needs them to act that way or their story would fall apart, then justify making the worst offenders (like Tony or Namor) good again by saying "it wasn't their fault, they were inverted!" License to commit Plot Induced Evil.
Considering that it appears that the vast majority of villains have reformed, and only a handful of heroes have gone bad, it's pretty much writer's fiat at this point. Still, there have been some fun moments with reformed villains.
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