"Sins Past" No More

[Chris Fluit]

I haven't seen any mention of this (mostly because I'm way behind on my spoiler-thread reading) but Amazing Spider-Man #599 has ret-conned away Sins Past.

How? (here comes the spoiler) In #599, Norman Osborn mentions that he thought he was sterile because of side-effects of the goblin serum. After all, he hadn't been able to have children since he started in on the serum (Harry was born years before Norman became the Green Goblin). Which means that Gwen's kids from "Sins Past" were not Osborn's.

What's left unchanged? Well, it's still theoretically possible that Gwen slept with the "sad, but powerful" Osborn even if he didn't impregnate her. And it's theoretically possible that Osborn convinced Gwen that the children were his, even if he knew full well that they weren't (he's sneaky enough to do something like that).

Even so, the fundamentals behind the story (Gwen had Osborn's children) are negated.

The broadest possible reading (#599 fully negates "Sins Past") preserves Gwen's innocence. The narrowest reading (#599 simply negates Osborn's paternity) at least puts the onus on the villainous Osborn, who obviously manipulated and lied to Gwen. Either way, Gwen's famous innocence is restored to some degree .

[Batmatt Beyond]

Yep, I definitely read that as a confirmation of the Mopeeing of that particular EYKIW (pronounded "ick-you", in this case.)

[Rob Staeger (Grodd Mod)]

Well.. unless she slept with Osborne AND Doc Ock...

ew... and the Vulture...

[The Baron]

Rob Staeger said:

Well.. unless she slept with Osborne AND Doc Ock...

ew... and the Vulture...

And...

Wi' Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer
Peter Gurney, Peter Davey
Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke
Old Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all
Old Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all

[Rob Staeger (Grodd Mod)]

I got it from Agnes,
she got it from Jim.
We all agree it must've been
Louise who gave it to him...

[Cavaliere (moderator emeritus)]

Does this mean that the kids really could be Peter's--which was the original direction the story was supposed to go?

[Rob Staeger (Grodd Mod)]

Hurm. I guess it could.

(Hey Rich, since you're on smiley duty today, could you add the scratching chin smiley, too? And while you're there, Yikes, Sky is falling, idea, and coffee? Thanks, man!)

[Batmatt Beyond]

Jeff Alan "Cavalier" Polier said:

Does this mean that the kids really could be Peter's--which was the original direction the story was supposed to go?

I get the feeling that the whole shebang has been Mopeed. Nothing mindwipe or Mephisto-related, mind you. Just an old-fashioned editorial decision to never speak of a story again.

[Rob Staeger (Grodd Mod)]

Which would be a fine, fine thing, I think. Out of all the ways to retcon, the Mopee is my favorite.

[Alan M.]

First Baby May, then the Stacey twins. Spider-Man continuity is not good for its main characters' offspring.

Little Normie Osborn better watch out!

[Doc Beechler (mod-MD)]

I think I mentioned this in one of the other Spidey-threads...there was someone...or something...shown growing in a tube in the Avengers Tower lab during the American Son storyline and, although it was a bit obscured, it sure looked like the name of the male in the tube was Stacy.

[Dagwan]

Alan M. said:

First Baby May, then the Stacey twins. Spider-Man continuity is not good for its main characters' offspring.

Little Normie Osborn better watch out!

That would be good advice for him either way...

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Chris Fluit said:

In #599, Norman Osborn mentions that he thought he was sterile because of side-effects of the goblin serum.

Doc Beechler said:

I think I mentioned this in one of the other Spidey-threads...there was someone...or something...shown growing in a tube in the Avengers Tower lab during the American Son storyline and, although it was a bit obscured, it sure looked like the name of the male in the tube was Stacy.

I don't remember who Norman was talking to in #599 (I'm assuming Lilly?), but it's not outside the realms of consideration to assume he's just plain ol' lying, is it? Especially if he's using Lilly's pregnancy and her belief that she and she alone can produce an Osborn heir...dissing Harry and conveniently "forgetting" his other offspring would certainly be beneficial to Norman...